Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade

What is you're opinion on abortion ?

  • Fully pro-life, including Embryo

    Votes: 17 2.5%

  • Pro-life but exceptions for morning after pill and IUDs

    Votes: 25 3.7%

  • Pro-choice but up until heartbeat limit of 6-weeks

    Votes: 64 9.6%

  • Pro-choice up to pre-viability limit (based on local legislation)

    Votes: 451 67.6%

  • Fully pro-choice until birth

    Votes: 110 16.5%
  • Total voters
    667
Haggisman said:
To be fair, the dispensing pharmacist should have warned her about that possibility!
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Aye, although also being fair my sister is at times the sort of person who will get given some advise, or a warning, nod her head, say yes, then walk off and forget about it instantly :p

Our current pharmacist is very good at explaining new medications and interactions, but the reason we're with him is our old one was not great...
 
Roar87 said:
I mean, you realise when contraceptives say 99% reliable or 98.7% etc, they're referring to them being used for 1 year? They're actually incredibly effective, you almost can absolutely rely on the combined contraceptive pill for example as long as it's taken each day as prescribed. Condoms are a little more prone to failure, but it's obvious when they do and there is the "morning after" pill for those cases. Essentially, abortions should be *extremely* rare for anyone who is sensible with their reproductive health.
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Bit of a problem when in many states the morning after pill is considered an abortion and will be illegal
 
Contaceptives would be covered by both Griswold vs Connecticut 1965 (married couples) and Eisenstadt vs Baird 1972 (unmarried couples) . If Roe vs Wade goes then campaigners want to go after Griswold so contraceptives are banned.
 
deuse said:
I'm glad the the Dems lost the vote the to legalize abortion up to birth.
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How many late term abortions were performed in the USA in 2020. How many of those had already had a pregnancy failure. The US government define `late term` as week 24 onwards or 3rd trimester. Please be aware that partial birth abortion has been banned in the USA since 2003 : https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1531
 
Roar87 said:
Well, he said "will be illegal", is this a fact @Colonel_Klinck or speculation?
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C Kent said:
Scaremongering and speculation
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A more accurate representation it would appear that it is a legal technicality that would probably require a court ruling to determine what the legislation is actually meant to cover.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-wade-overturned-legal-experts-warn-rcna28253


In Louisiana, legislation would classify abortion as a homicide and define “personhood” as beginning from the moment of fertilization. Contraception methods like Plan B and certain types of intrauterine devices, or IUDs, could be restricted under the bill, said Cathren Cohen, a scholar of law and policy at the UCLA Law Center.

“Anything that would prevent a fertilized egg from turning into a pregnancy and being born into a baby could be considered a homicide,” she said. “If you define a pregnancy and you define a person as including just this fertilized egg, then technically you are legislating that an IUD can cause an abortion.”
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Poor legislation drafting could conceivably had the unintended (assumedly) result of potentially criminalising contraceptives that impact a fertilised egg.

There's also the related point that contraception rulings could easily be the next target for conservative campaigners.
 
Pudney said:
A more accurate representation it would appear that it is a legal technicality that would probably require a court ruling to determine what the legislation is actually meant to cover.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-wade-overturned-legal-experts-warn-rcna28253




Poor legislation drafting could conceivably had the unintended (assumedly) result of potentially criminalising contraceptives that impact a fertilised egg.

There's also the related point that contraception rulings could easily be the next target for conservative campaigners.
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This fact check although about the fake news that plan b was made illegal in some states gives a pretty good explanation of why plan b won't be made illegal. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/p...and-missouri-contrary-to-social-media-claims/
Laura Hermer, a professor at the Mitchell Hamline School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, who has expertise in reproductive rights, abortion and public health, told us in a phone interview that the language in the bill doesn’t indicate that Plan B would be banned in that state.

“Plan B prevents an egg from implanting in the uterus. This all happens before pregnancy can be actually confirmed. When [the bills] are talking about abortion, they are talking about a clinically diagnosable pregnancy,” Hermer said.

“Plan B is taken within 72 hours of actually having sex. You can’t be diagnosed with pregnancy at that point, it’s not possible. Later in the text of the bill (HB 2416), they mention a physician must independently verify that a pregnancy exists. Again, that’s simply not possible at [the point one would use a Plan B pill],” she added. “To say that the Plan B pills would be or should be included in the bills would be wrong. That would be a fallacy.”
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Additionally I believe the governor quoted in the article you linked clarified his comments. As I said, it's just scaremongering and speculation
 
C Kent said:
This fact check although about the fake news that plan b was made illegal in some states gives a pretty good explanation of why plan b won't be made illegal. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/p...and-missouri-contrary-to-social-media-claims/

Additionally I believe the governor quoted in the article you linked clarified his comments. As I said, it's just scaremongering and speculation
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The problem with legal opinions is that until they're tested in the appropriate court they are only opinions. The fact there are opposing views doesn't invalidate either view.
 
C Kent said:
This fact check although about the fake news that plan b was made illegal in some states gives a pretty good explanation of why plan b won't be made illegal. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/p...and-missouri-contrary-to-social-media-claims/

Additionally I believe the governor quoted in the article you linked clarified his comments. As I said, it's just scaremongering and speculation
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Yup, there certainly has been a fair bit of scaremongering over this, while there are obviously potentially serious consequences in some states I don't think hyping up the impact is particularly constructive either, this was seen in another thread where this topic came up and some articles were posted re: some silly amount of states supposedly making abortion illegal... upon closer inspection some were looking at harsh restrictions, others have some existing laws on the books however the assumption that there wouldn't be new legislation in some of these states in response to a ruling as indicated in the SC leak is highly dubious.
 
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