Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade

[G-MAN2004]

It is exactly how it should work, you just need the smarts to understand

Being against governments having that sort of power over people's bodies is the smart thing.

 

[Robbo]

The Constitution is very old hat now and needs major surgery, Americans need to stop clinging on to it like it's a religious text.

In any sane, democratic country, Abortions within the viability limits should be allowed and be the choice of the woman involved. Repealing these rights is simply backwards, it's indefensible. The 'leader of the free world' doing something you'd expect from likes of the Taliban - I fear for their future.

 

[Roar87]

The Constitution is very old hat now and needs major surgery, Americans need to stop clinging on to it like it's a religious text.

In any sane, democratic country, Abortions within the viability limits should be allowed and be the choice of the woman involved. Repealing these rights is simply backwards, it's indefensible. The 'leader of the free world' doing something you'd expect from likes of the Taliban - I fear for their future.

By women do you mean people with a uterus?

 

[Robbo]

By women do you mean people with a uterus?

No, I mean actual women.

 

[Dis86]

No, I mean actual women.

That would be people with a uterus, or those that have had them removed for medical reasons.

 

[Dis86]

Being against governments having that sort of power over people's bodies is the smart thing.

Hi polio, hi smallpox, how you doin'? What's that, we can virtually eliminate cervical cancer with a vaccine? Naaaah, you're alright mate.

 

[Vulcan]

The Constitution is very old hat now and needs major surgery, Americans need to stop clinging on to it like it's a religious text.

This decision essentially does that, it says it's nothing to do with the Constitution.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

By women do you mean people with a uterus?

Or as the twitter brigade would have you say. "womb carriers"

 

[Robbo]

This decision essentially does that, it says it's nothing to do with the Constitution.

Yes that's a good point, but in this instance it's actually taking away a fundamental democratic right (at least in my view). However you look at it, it's backwards thinking.

 

[Hagar]

well in the city next to where I grew up there is a law saying it is ok to kill Welsh people with an arrow if they are seen inside the city walls after dark. to be fair I don't think the law has been tested lately and it is *possible* a more recent law may render it obsolete

I believe Nantwich had / has such a law to prevent raiding from across the border. I don't believe it has been repealed except that murdering is deemed illegal today even for Welsh men.

 

[G-MAN2004]

Hi polio, hi smallpox, how you doin'? What's that, we can virtually eliminate cervical cancer with a vaccine? Naaaah, you're alright mate.

None of which are forced upon people by the government, but okay...

 

[fez]

This is just mind blowing in 2022 in a first world country. Land of the free, home of the brave eh.

America has turned into a complete mess of contradictions on both ends of the political spectrum and yet they still think they are the best country in the world.

 

[Vulcan]

Yes that's a good point, but in this instance it's actually taking away a fundamental democratic right (at least in my view). However you look at it, it's backwards thinking.

The people of the state are free to democratically vote in who they want to make the laws. The reality is you and many others don't like the outcome, that's fine, but if everyone thought the same over there, they would change the law, but they don't feel the same.

 

[CapitalOne]

This is just mind blowing in 2022 in a first world country. Land of the free, home of the brave eh.

America has turned into a complete mess of contradictions on both ends of the political spectrum and yet they still think they are the best country in the world.

Hmmm, sounds strangely familiar!

 

[platinum87]

Hi polio, hi smallpox, how you doin'? What's that, we can virtually eliminate cervical cancer with a vaccine? Naaaah, you're alright mate.

2 completely different scenarios. Vaccination protects others.

Vaccines do not protect others, if i am vaccinated, i am protected, i am not protecting anyone else by getting a vaccine.

The only exception to that is a mother passing on her anti-bodies to her offspring.

Anyone pushing that narrative, is either a fanatic or does not properly understand, however with the abortions, they are a fanatic as there is nothing to mis-understand.

So in the situation that, i am vaccinated, why the hell do i care if you have or have not had a vaccine, and likewise, why would i care if you want to get an abortion?

 

[Dis86]

Vaccines do not protect others, if i am vaccinated, i am protected, i am not protecting anyone else by getting a vaccine.

The only exception to that is a mother passing on her anti-bodies to her offspring.

Anyone pushing that narrative, is either a fanatic or does not properly understand, however with the abortions, they are a fanatic as there is nothing to mis-understand.

So in the situation that, i am vaccinated, why the hell do i care if you have or have not had a vaccine, and likewise, why would i care if you want to get an abortion?

Yeah...you're wrong. Simple as. You need to understand how vaccination works.

 

[Puzzled]

Vaccines do not protect others, if i am vaccinated, i am protected, i am not protecting anyone else by getting a vaccine.

The only exception to that is a mother passing on her anti-bodies to her offspring.

Anyone pushing that narrative, is either a fanatic or does not properly understand, however with the abortions, they are a fanatic as there is nothing to mis-understand.

So in the situation that, i am vaccinated, why the hell do i care if you have or have not had a vaccine, and likewise, why would i care if you want to get an abortion?

Well that isn't right, vaccines do protect others.

Herd immunity​

When someone is vaccinated, they are very likely to be protected against the targeted disease. But not everyone can be vaccinated. People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated with certain vaccines. These people can still be protected if they live in and amongst others who are vaccinated. When a lot of people in a community are vaccinated the pathogen has a hard time circulating because most of the people it encounters are immune. So the more that others are vaccinated, the less likely people who are unable to be protected by vaccines are at risk of even being exposed to the harmful pathogens. This is called herd immunity.

This is especially important for those people who not only can’t be vaccinated but may be more susceptible to the diseases we vaccinate against. No single vaccine provides 100% protection, and herd immunity does not provide full protection to those who cannot safely be vaccinated. But with herd immunity, these people will have substantial protection, thanks to those around them being vaccinated.

Vaccinating not only protects yourself, but also protects those in the community who are unable to be vaccinated. If you are able to, get vaccinated.

How do vaccines work?

www.who.int

 

[Dis86]

None of which are forced upon people by the government, but okay...

Smallpox was which is what lead to its eradication. Polio is required for travel to certain areas. And the hpv vaccine is just brilliant. But yeah...vaccination is useless eh?

 

[GGizmo]

Maybe each State that wants to ban abortions should have a referendum on the issue.

 

[platinum87]

Yeah...you're wrong. Simple as. You need to understand how vaccination works.

No i understand i just ignore herd immunity.

However i am technically wrong actually, and i cant figure out a way out of this hole. If i get any ideas i'll be back.

Will you not accept a semantic argument about how i am not "protecting" anyone, rather, the people who encounter the outside are simply putting themselves in what they define as acceptable risk.