Poll: Abortion, Roe v. Wade

[Mason-]

Clarence Thomas clearly has a religious agenda as a Catholic. Why else off the back of this is he immediately targetting laws protecting contraception and homosexuality.

Contraception, gay marriage: Clarence Thomas signals new targets for supreme court

Rightwing justice appears to offer preview of the court’s potential future rulings after decision to remove US abortion rights

www.theguardian.com

Lmao would you say Breyer is pushing a ‘Jewish agenda’?

Of course you wouldn’t.

 

[muon]

I find some peoples reactions very strange. Especially if you don’t live there. I suppose since the Trump win and Brexit, people really don’t like democracy anymore. Most of the states are going to make it legal. But the reaction you hear is like it’s been banned outright across the whole of the USA.

Weird.

It shouldn't be banned anywhere. The reduction of women's rights anywhere in the world is bad. Sorry that you only care about your tiny corner of the world.

 

[muon]

Lmao would you say Breyer is pushing a ‘Jewish agenda’?

Of course you wouldn’t.

Breyer hasn't said anything like Clarence, unless you can show otherwise. When has he pushed any Jewish laws?

 

[dowie]

Clarence Thomas clearly has a religious agenda as a Catholic. Why else off the back of this is he immediately targetting laws protecting contraception and homosexuality.

I think most (if not all) of the court are members of some mainstream religion no?

Probably because he doesn't think those rulings are constitutional either, it doesn't seem like there is a majority agreeing with him on that though the question was about why the people ruling in favour of this decision are religious loons - an argument based on simply supporting a legal decision is rather flawed.

 

[muon]

I think most (if not all) of the court are members of some mainstream religion no?

Probably because he doesn't think those rulings are constitutional either, it doesn't seem like there is a majority agreeing with him on that though the question was about why the people ruling in favour of this decision are religious loons - an argument based on simply supporting a legal decision is rather flawed.

He doesn't think the rulings that contradict his Catholic faith aren't constitutional. The only ones he decides to pick out of the pool, two of which have nothing to do with conception/abortion. Just a massive coincidence.

I'm glad in the UK any politician peddling decisions clearly based on religion would lose very badly.

 

[dowie]

He doesn't think the rulings that contradict his Catholic faith aren't constitutional. The only ones he decides to pick out of the pool, two of which have nothing to do with conception/abortion.

No, he thinks they aren't constitutional, not really a huge coincidence.

 

[Roar87]

There's a big difference between a backwards country which hasn't yet legalised abortion, and a supposed developed country (which ironically calls itself "the land of the free") going backwards decades by removing that legislation making it legal.

Just because somewhere is worse, doesn't mean you should aspire to be like them

They haven't made it illegal, probably in most states it won't be illegal. They've simply said it's down to the states to decide

It shouldn't be banned anywhere. The reduction of women's rights anywhere in the world is bad. Sorry that you only care about your tiny corner of the world.

Why isn't there such an outrage at the majority of African, Middle Eastern, Asian, South American countries where it is banned outright or prohibited? Oh right, it's trendy to criticise the US. It's the largely a Christian thing in the US by the way, just like in other countries it's also largely a religious thing - though some how other countries religious beliefs are more tolerated.

 

[muon]

No, he thinks they aren't constitutional, not really a huge coincidence.

Lol. Next on the list, federal laws giving personal rights to adulterers and polytheists. All unconstitutional of course. Any other suggestion is absurd, it is just a massive coincidence.

 

[muon]

They haven't made it illegal, probably in most states it won't be illegal. They've simply said it's down to the states to decide



Why isn't there such an outrage at the majority of African, Middle Eastern, Asian, South American countries where it is banned outright or prohibited? Oh right, it's trendy to criticise the US. It's the largely a Christian thing in the US by the way, just like in other countries it's also largely a religious thing - though some how other countries religious beliefs are more tolerated.

What are you talking about? How is it tolerated elsewhere by the developed world? Places like the middle east are heavily criticised for human rights abuses and their treatment of women in particular. Why make stuff up?

Next on the dock in the US will be the rights of homosexuals and the rights of people to get and use contraceptives without state interference according to Clarence Thomas. The court is not supposed to be swayed by religion, and you yourself have identified this to be a 'Christian' ruling.

 

[Roar87]

What are you talking about? How is it tolerated elsewhere by the developed world? Places like the middle east are heavily criticised for human rights abuses and their treatment of women in particular. Why make stuff up?

Next on the dock in the US will be the rights of homosexuals and the rights of people to get and use contraceptives without state interference according to Clarence Thomas.

Well, there's zero outrage compared to *anything* that happens in the US. People from the UK on this forum have signatures related to US politics lol

 

[muon]

Well, there's zero outrage compared to *anything* that happens in the US. People from the UK on this forum have signatures related to US politics lol

Why is that a surprise? North America and Europe are the areas we have the closest ties to?

I'm confused, do you stick to matters concerning Leeds only, and keep your nose out of everything else? I already know your posting history.

 

[Rai200]

Well, there's zero outrage compared to *anything* that happens in the US. People from the UK on this forum have signatures related to US politics lol

They're the most powerful country in the world, have the largest economy, largest military and are closely tied to us. What happens there often follows in some form here.

It's also a regressive stance, it's not like Somalia has backtracked 50 years of precedent.

 

[dowie]

Lol. Next on the list, federal laws giving personal rights to adulterers and polytheists. All unconstitutional of course. Any other suggestion is absurd, it is just a massive coincidence.

It's not clear what you're saying here.

 

[muon]

It's not clear what you're saying here.

You are an apologist for what is a religious agenda. You are excusing it as simply deciding what is and isn't constitutional even though it is clearly aligned to religious beliefs above all else.

It is no surprise what Clarence Thomas has decided to selectively talk about in his commentary where there wasn't even a need to talk about other rulings.

 

[Roar87]

Why is that a surprise? North America and Europe are the areas we have the closest ties to?

I'm confused, do you stick to matters concerning Leeds only, and keep your nose out of everything else? I already know your posting history.

No, I just keep things in perspective. People have this strange belief that America is like a big version of the UK, where as they aren't at all. They're a bunch of different states with very varied beliefs from liberal lefties in California to religious Conservatives in places like Alabama and Texas. I'm not surprised or shocked when they don't want to ban guns or they legalise weed or let states decide abortion rights, because it isn't the UK, or even a European country. They're much different to us.

 

[dowie]

You are an apologist for what is a religious agenda. You are excusing it as simply deciding what is and isn't constitutional even though it is clearly aligned to religious beliefs above all else.

LOL I'm certainly no religious apologist, I'm not sure I've used the term magic sky pixie for a while as I think there was a point where we were supposed to pander more to religious sensitivities on here but anyone can search my post history on those topics!

I'm pro-choice, the argument here is simply that this wasn't constitutional and that the correct decision was to overturn Roe v Wade. The correct decision now for the Democrats ought to be to try to legislate to protect abortion rights.

edit - from a quick search and here are a sample of some posts by me over years re: my views on religion as a justification for restricting abortion, contraception or mutilating babies:

contraception/preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS:

Its pretty disgusting tbh... a very large number of deaths would be prevented if the pope simply approved the use of condoms. OK he's not actively killing people like say Hitler or Stalin but his lack of action is having the same net effect regardless of the fact that he naively believes (due to his belief in a magic sky pixie) that he is doing the right thing.

circumcision/genetal mutilation:

Here's an idea - how about letting the child decide whats best once he grows up and is able to make the decision himself.

Pandering to sensitive parent vs mutilating someone without consent - I don't think the parents rights come first here...

while in lots of cases a child indoctrinated into believing in whatever magical sky pixie nonsense his parents believe in will choose to have it done I wouldn't be surprised if this declined in future - god bothering being less popular as people become better educated

sarcastic comment re: abortion:

yes but the life of the unborn child is precious because the magical sky pixie tells us so

 

[RossGReds]

Quite a few sick individuals looking at the poll. Pro choice even at 9 months, really?

 

[Naff8000]

Swathes of 500lb magas rejoice by eating

 

[Concrete]

I swear if we could just find a way of harnessing internet outrage as an energy source we would be off fossil fuels in no time.

The US isn't a democracy, it's a federation of independent states. All this is doing is repealing a law that should never have existed as it overreached, this will strengthen the US in the long term (after all the energy has been expended uselessly).

 

[Akagi]

All this is doing is repealing a law that should never have existed as it overreached, this will strengthen the US in the long term (after all the energy has been expended uselessly).

Ah yes, now I remember why I stopped using this forum.