Soldato
Only a band wagon jumper would only care about certain wars.
Abramovich & Chelsea + a bit of Everton
- Thread starter BaZ87
- Start date
Many of us have voiced our opinions on the owners of City and Newcastle many a time...They shouldn't have ever been able to take over their respective clubs...that doesnt change the fact that Russia have invaded Ukraine and the fella whos doing it is has big ties to Abramovich...someone who earnt his money through lies and bloodshed.
Id rather my club fold before the like of that man took over and your lot sing his name from the stands. Your fans are a disgrace.
Caporegime
I can, he's your average Chelsea supporter
Caporegime
Not if Candy takes over. You’ll be fighting for a Conference league spot within 2 years.
Soldato
Hahahahahahaha
Soldato
Until he is proven guilty of something I will continue to sing his name.
Abramovich himself has admitted to corruption lmao
Soldato
That's not what we're talking about and you know it.
Soldato
Is there a "we" here?
Soldato
You weren't the one addressed so no there is not.
Soldato
The proof you're looking for is a direct involvement in the war. People have been calling for sanctions long before the war started. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Syria, Skripal, Litvinenko, election meddling, human rights abuses, undermining democracy etc.
It's not even necessarily a problem with Putin. Russia is a rotten country, and was rotten before Putin arrived on the scene. The emergence of Putin and the path he has chosen are an inevitable consequence of the cesspit of corruption and unaccountable power which is modern Russia.
Abramovich and the other oligarchs are an integral part of the system and the problem. It's inconceivable that we can ever have a reformed Russia whilst people such as this exist in their current form.
I don't understand this point. Why would it matter whether they knew about it 20 years ago or 10 years ago or 5 years ago? The UK have no jurisdiction over crimes Abramovich may or may not have committed in Russia. Abramovich hasn't been sanctioned because of these reported crimes either.
Sanctions have been placed on all (or at least a large number) of individuals and businesses that are connected to and support Putin and the Kremlin following their invasion of Ukraine. Abramovich has been sanctioned because he's been identified as somebody connected to Putin and the Kremlin. They've not only just decided this, it's been known for years. In 2018 following the Salisbury poisonings Abramovich's connections with Putin was raised in Parliament regarding potentially being sanctioned. The Salisbury poisonings weren't considered serious enough for the UK to hit Russia so hard and only a very small number of people (with military connections iinm) were sanctioned for that. Russia invading Ukraine is far more serious and that's why the UK and west as a whole have gone after almost everybody of note connected to Putin.
Your defense of Abramovich is another example of why the likes of him and certain Arab states have bought football clubs. You can commit any crimes and in RA's case, you can even admit to various crimes in court but if you spend a bit of money on transfers then you'll forever have an army of football supporters defending you to the hilt.
Soldato
Wow if true that’s some losses, could a points deduction be on the cards?
Soldato
No one has provided any evidence of his links to Putin, it's all heresay and Chelsea derangement syndrome, if he had a day in court and they charged him then yes throw the book at him but to punish the club and the fans and say its about Ukraine whilst allowing Saudis to buy up clubs and not care about the situation in Yemen for the last 10 years isn't just hypocritical it's down right disgusting.
You can all jump on the bandwagon and change your twitter flags to Ukraine(because that will help) but I'm yet to see actual evidence that connects Roman to this war or to Putin.
Soldato
No one has provided any evidence of his links to Putin, it's all heresay and Chelsea derangement syndrome, if he had a day in court and they charged him then yes throw the book at him but to punish the club and the fans and say its about Ukraine whilst allowing Saudis to buy up clubs and not care about the situation in Yemen for the last 10 years isn't just hypocritical it's down right disgusting.
You can all jump on the bandwagon and change your twitter flags to Ukraine(because that will help) but I'm yet to see actual evidence that connects Roman to this war or to Putin.
Soldato
Ukraine is just the event that has made the problem impossible to ignore. The appeasement policy failed and now it's time to act.
So what you're saying is you'll only believe it once you have access to national intelligence?
Some years back, long before the full invasion of Ukraine, David Davis announced in parliament that Spanish intelligence believed that Abramovich was so close to Putin that he personally handled his finances. Chris Bryant revealed that from 2019 our national intelligence too had him down as a person of interested due to his links to Putin and the Kremlin. I assume you believe these are just outright lies?
As for punishing the club. Unfortunately that's a consequence of being owned by a Russian mobster. You benefited for years from Abramovich's ill-gotten gains and protection from the Russian state (he admitted both things in court before you ask for evidence) but now will suffer due to those links too. It's actually quite fitting. Chelsea were on the brink before RA flew in, not having the cash needed to pay your way and RA will depart with you in the same position. As I mentioned at the start of this thread, Chelsea won't be in an awful position moving forwards - thanks to your success bought with blood money, you're now a bigger club than you once were so even without RA pumping in an average of around £80m per season, you will still have finances to compete with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal. You just won't be able to spend the money that the biggest sides spend anymore.
Although it will apply to some, not everybody is simply jumping on the bandwagon. Many, myself included, have spoken out against the likes of City, PSG and now Newcastle's ownership. I've already mentioned Saudi bombing civilians in Yemen in this thread. Heck, rewind 18(?) years and you'll find Liverpool supporters protesting against the prospect of Thaksin Shinawatra's possible investment into Liverpool. A lot of people care about these things even if the likes of you think winning the FA Cup is more important than 1000s of people being slaughtered in Ukraine.