Abramovich & Chelsea + a bit of Everton

So what you're saying is you'll only believe it once you have access to national intelligence? :D

Some years back, long before the full invasion of Ukraine, David Davis announced in parliament that Spanish intelligence believed that Abramovich was so close to Putin that he personally handled his finances. Chris Bryant revealed that from 2019 our national intelligence too had him down as a person of interested due to his links to Putin and the Kremlin. I assume you believe these are just outright lies?

As for punishing the club. Unfortunately that's a consequence of being owned by a Russian mobster. You benefited for years from Abramovich's ill-gotten gains and protection from the Russian state (he admitted both things in court before you ask for evidence) but now will suffer due to those links too. It's actually quite fitting. Chelsea were on the brink before RA flew in, not having the cash needed to pay your way and RA will depart with you in the same position. As I mentioned at the start of this thread, Chelsea won't be in an awful position moving forwards - thanks to your success bought with blood money, you're now a bigger club than you once were so even without RA pumping in an average of around £80m per season, you will still have finances to compete with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal. You just won't be able to spend the money that the biggest sides spend anymore.

Although it will apply to some, not everybody is simply jumping on the bandwagon. Many, myself included, have spoken out against the likes of City, PSG and now Newcastle's ownership. I've already mentioned Saudi bombing civilians in Yemen in this thread. Heck, rewind 18(?) years and you'll find Liverpool supporters protesting against the prospect of Thaksin Shinawatra's possible investment into Liverpool. A lot of people care about these things even if the likes of you think winning the FA Cup is more important than 1000s of people being slaughtered in Ukraine.

So what you're saying is you'll blindly believe a proven liar in the government without evidence of wrong doing?

Every owner of every club is dodgy so keep saying "Blood money" like a child but it means nothing.

All the people in here have turned a blind eye to all the atrocities of war in other countries for 70 years until you could jump on the Chelsea hate train, just update your Snapchat or Instagram with a Ukraine flag and do your part.

I'll still sing his name this weekend, loud and proud for all he did for the club.
 
So what you're saying is you'll blindly believe a proven liar in the government without evidence of wrong doing?

Every owner of every club is dodgy so keep saying "Blood money" like a child but it means nothing.

All the people in here have turned a blind eye to all the atrocities of war in other countries for 70 years until you could jump on the Chelsea hate train, just update your Snapchat or Instagram with a Ukraine flag and do your part.

I'll still sing his name this weekend, loud and proud for all he did for the club.
Carry on singing his name. Hopefully it will lead to all of your fans being barred from attending games.
Your attitude proves Chelsea deserve everything they get.
 
I'm ashamed that none of you require proof of guilt and are fine with punishing a club and its fans for just 1 of many wars going on right now.

You're all fake, Johnny come latelys who only really gob off because Chelsea are the flavour of the year.
 
I'm ashamed that none of you require proof of guilt and are fine with punishing a club and its fans for just 1 of many wars going on right now.

You're all fake, Johnny come latelys who only really gob off because Chelsea are the flavour of the year.

I'm sure you won't have any trouble providing proof of your previous support of the likes of Yemen and other wars? Maybe even some condemnation of the Saudi regime taking over City?
 
So what you're saying is you'll blindly believe a proven liar in the government without evidence of wrong doing?

Every owner of every club is dodgy so keep saying "Blood money" like a child but it means nothing.

All the people in here have turned a blind eye to all the atrocities of war in other countries for 70 years until you could jump on the Chelsea hate train, just update your Snapchat or Instagram with a Ukraine flag and do your part.

I'll still sing his name this weekend, loud and proud for all he did for the club.
I'm not sure who the proven liar is you're referring to however if you believe that a 2018 Spanish intelligence report and a 2019 UK intelligence report linked RA with Putin and the Kremlin because they hate Chelsea then that's some special kind of paranoia :D

I'm not sure why you object to me saying blood money. RA admitted in open court that many people (rivals of his) were murdered as part of the aluminum wars during the 90s, which he was involved in and made part of his fortune from. It was part of his defense in the Boris Berezovsky case - he admitted paying for political and physical protection because of the dangers of getting involved in that business. While others were dying around him, he was gobbling up more Russian assets. As for every owner is dodgy, that's obviously a load of nonsense but even if you believe some or many are, there's clearly different degrees of dodginess. I'm not aware of any crimes they've committed but owners like the Glazers are terrible for football however their loading of debt onto Utd pales into insignificance when you compare them to Abramovich or the Saudi's.

If you wish to continue to celebrate Abramovich then that's your right. If you believe Chelsea winning a few trophies is more important than all the crimes Abramovich has committed then so be it and others will judge you based on that. And before you again ask for evidence, when I say crimes I'm not simply referring to the many unresolved murders, suspicious deaths or kidnappings that RA is reported to be linked with but the crimes he's admitted to in open court - bribing his way into a position where he was able to essentially steal a large part of Russia's wealth. Millions of Russians living in poverty is a small price to pay for Chelsea being able to sign a few extra players though, right?
 
*Chicago Cubs Owners, Ken Griffin Join for Chelsea FC Bid: Sky
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...n-team-up-chelsea-fc-bid-sky-news-2022-03-16/


'Portugal will implement all sanctions decided at EU level against Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich but is not able to ban him from entering the country because he is a citizen, Foreign Minister Augusto Santos Silva said on Wednesday.'
https://www.reuters.com/world/portugal-not-able-ban-abramovich-entering-country-2022-03-16/
 
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I'm not sure who the proven liar is you're referring to however if you believe that a 2018 Spanish intelligence report and a 2019 UK intelligence report linked RA with Putin and the Kremlin because they hate Chelsea then that's some special kind of paranoia :D

I'm not sure why you object to me saying blood money. RA admitted in open court that many people (rivals of his) were murdered as part of the aluminum wars during the 90s, which he was involved in and made part of his fortune from. It was part of his defense in the Boris Berezovsky case - he admitted paying for political and physical protection because of the dangers of getting involved in that business. While others were dying around him, he was gobbling up more Russian assets. As for every owner is dodgy, that's obviously a load of nonsense but even if you believe some or many are, there's clearly different degrees of dodginess. I'm not aware of any crimes they've committed but owners like the Glazers are terrible for football however their loading of debt onto Utd pales into insignificance when you compare them to Abramovich or the Saudi's.

If you wish to continue to celebrate Abramovich then that's your right. If you believe Chelsea winning a few trophies is more important than all the crimes Abramovich has committed then so be it and others will judge you based on that. And before you again ask for evidence, when I say crimes I'm not simply referring to the many unresolved murders, suspicious deaths or kidnappings that RA is reported to be linked with but the crimes he's admitted to in open court - bribing his way into a position where he was able to essentially steal a large part of Russia's wealth. Millions of Russians living in poverty is a small price to pay for Chelsea being able to sign a few extra players though, right?

"Linked with" you sound like a proper nut, he's linked with therefore must be guilty and we should throw the book at him, not Putin but Abramovich.

Lots of English people live in poverty while we have shady people in our government let alone owning football clubs.
 
"Linked with" you sound like a proper nut, he's linked with therefore must be guilty and we should throw the book at him, not Putin but Abramovich.

Lots of English people live in poverty while we have shady people in our government let alone owning football clubs.
We are throwing the book at Putin. We're doing so by placing sanctions on him all those that prop him and the Kremlin up, including the man that personally handles Putin's finances.

As for the last sentence, can you link any other billionaire football club owners with causing mass poverty. There's a direct link with RA and Russian poverty - he stole Russia's wealth and then sold back a proportion of it to the state for billions some years later.
 
He’s trying to bring Usmanov into it, even though he was a minor shareholder and the board locked down so he couldn’t take the club over as they realised that he was not a desirable owner.

usmanov was a shareholder he didnt own the club or put money into transfers etc

that ridiculous and the bosrd would never let him take over thats why he left
 
Oh come off it, he was a shareholder his money was in the business and you were all desperate for him to buy off the American. Show me the posts on here where you didn’t want it to happen. Gooner14 is the only one I can remember often calling him a murdering rapist.

and let’s not keep digging at the poor Chelsea fan when you’re prepared to say this…

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31031048/
 
Oh come off it, he was a shareholder his money was in the business and you were all desperate for him to buy off the American. Show me the posts on here where you didn’t want it to happen. Gooner14 is the only one I can remember often calling him a murdering rapist.

and let’s not keep digging at the poor Chelsea fan when you’re prepared to say this…

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31031048/


What the hell are you on about im not cliffyg :confused::confused:
 
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