Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2010, Yas Island Marina Circuit - Race 19/19

sunama said:
Being fast in a particular sector is one thing. Actually making that advantage count and sticking an overtaking manoeuvre is a completely different story.

Hamilton is the best overtaker in F1 right now, so maybe he could manage this on Vettel, but I highly doubt it. Button is definitely not a good overtaker, so to expect him to overtake a faster car (driven by the Worlds best driver), in sector2, after the race has started, is taking a big leap of faith. Especially when you consider that McLaren and Ferrari seem to have a car which is similar in performance, on this track.

I know that there are many Button/Hamilton supporters in here, but some people need to get realistic.

My belief is that the only overtaking action, among the front runners, we shall see tomorrow, shall be off the line (and maybe during the pit-stops). With the 2 McLarens starting on the dirty side of the track, their job will be very difficult.

Once the race starts, expect to see a procession, a la Bahrain.
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Did you miss the Brazilian GP last year?
 
utajoker said:
One thing leggard said to annoy me today

Along the lines of
"Once again vetted has put it on pole, that must be 10 time this year, extraordinary!"

Could it be because he has the fastest car by 0.5-1.0 second faster than the rest of the field???????


BBC better not get him back next year.
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I'm not a fan of Vettel, but it is clearly not just he car or Webber would have a matching time.
 
Cavallino said:
Yea but in fairness thats the Brazilian GP deko not Abu Dhabi?
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This track is more suited to overtaking than Brazil, very slow hairpin, followed by a very long straight, then a slow chicane and another long straight. If there's anywhere that's almost perfect for overtaking, its here, there was plenty of overtaking going on last year. On the last lap, Button was completely alongside Webber on both of those straights, Webber just defended very well and braked very late. Overtaking is very much possible here, even for something who isn't 'a good overtaker', especially with the straight line advantage of the Mclaren (I can't find the actual figures, but wasn't JB fastest by miles in a straight line on Friday?).
 
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Valentino said:
I'm not a fan of Vettel, but it is clearly not just he car or Webber would have a matching time.
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Webber isnt that quick just the car makes up for it. Alonso, Hamilton in that car and I expect the gap would be even bigger.

Telescopi said:
I'd not be surprised to see hamilton leading into turn 1 with alonso and vettel making contact - could be interesting.
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A dive up the inside from Hamilton and vettel may just concede on the grounds that he just can't risk damaging his car. Same for button and alonso.
 
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deko said:
Did you miss the Brazilian GP last year?
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Nope.

Just because a driver has 1 good race (overtaking-wise), in 2 seasons, does not make him a master of that skill.

Hulkenberg managed to get a pole position last week, by 1s. This does not make him the polemeister.

Hamilton has proved time and time again that he can overtake anyone, including those in faster cars than him.

Button cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton when it comes to overtaking.
 
It's a bit unfair to say Button can't overtake. He's definitely nothing on Hamilton, but he better than a lot of other drivers. Massa and Vettel seem incapable of overtaking a slower car at times, unless they make contact.
 
PinkFloyd said:
It's a bit unfair to say Button can't overtake. He's definitely nothing on Hamilton, but he better than a lot of other drivers. Massa and Vettel seem incapable of overtaking a slower car at times, unless they make contact.
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Massa has overtaken Button more times this season believe it or not. (But still amounting to nought points wise).
 
utajoker said:
Webber isnt that quick just the car makes up for it. Alonso, Hamilton in that car and I expect the gap would be even bigger.
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Exactly.

A lot of people seem to believe that Webber is actually a top line driver. He isn't. The fact that Vettel is beating Webber with consummate ease these days, is not a surprise. I actually expected this to happen more regularly and was surprised to see Webber outperform Vettel to win 2 races in the middle of the season.

The fact that Webber is near the top of the points table is more a reflection of how good the RBR car is and how unreliable Vettel's car has been.

In terms of qualifying, Vettel has outperformed Webber 12 - 7. I would contend that Vettel has not done enough and should've outperformed Webber by an even greater margin.

I think the RBR have done a great job on the whole, considering their short history.

My only criticism is that Horner has not managed his drivers properly. Had Horner done a better job, Vettel would probably already have been the WDC and RBR would've gone in to the last race having won both titles. With more experience Horner will learn how to handle his drivers better (in the same way that Ferrari and Bennetton have done in the past) and won't get pipped to the WDC by a slower car. Webber should never have been allowed to defend his position in the way he did in Turkey. Had Horner been stronger, Vettel would've finished that race with 25 points and would probably already have won the title.
 
PinkFloyd said:
Massa and Vettel seem incapable of overtaking a slower car at times, unless they make contact.
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Vettel is definitely guilty of not being able to extract the maximum out of his (faster) car. By rights, he should be bulldozing past the slower cars in front of him. Overtaking is definitely not his strength.
 
sunama said:
Hamilton has proved time and time again that he can overtake anyone, including those in faster cars than him..
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Not at all, hamilton is as useless as everyone else when the car isn't faster than those around him. Faster cars than him? Remind me again all the times Hamilton has overtaken a car and then the car has sat on his tail because it's faster?

Hamilton showed last year when the car was bad and last race he couldn't do anything when his car wasn't quicker than the car he was chasing.

I agree he's better wheel to wheel than button but only when the car is faster and working well for him. He didn't even ovettake button when button was struggling with tyres a couple of races ago. He just sat there waiting for the stops.
 
The most recent example of overtaking a faster car was against Webber's RBR car at Singapore. Of course, Webber continued to ram Hamilton into retirement, as soon as Hamilton overtook him, but the RBR is a faster car and it shows that Hamilton can do it.

I don't think any other driver (and that includes Alonso) would have managed to get in front of an RBR car.

For me Hamilton is the best overtaker in F1, by a comfortable margin. No one (including Kobayashi), comes close.

Has anybody got any stats on competitive overtakes this year? I would bet that Hamilton is top of the table.
 
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sunama said:
Button is definitely not a good overtaker
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You're wrong about this. I'm not a Button fanboy, but...
He's excellent on the brakes, he knows how to pressurise the driver in front and he can drive under pressure too. All of these mean he can overtake.
Look at someone like Vettel who hits a metaphorical wall as soon as a car is in front of him. Or Massa who just starts making mistakes. They're bad overtakers. Button isn't.

I agree with most of what you say, just not this :p
 
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