Difference is Alonso doesn't smash into DRS boards, nor does he try to make passes when he can't.
Vettel COULD have ruined Senna's race, he was lucky his front wing wasn't torn off.
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Difference is Alonso doesn't smash into DRS boards, nor does he try to make passes when he can't.
Vettel COULD have ruined Senna's race, he was lucky his front wing wasn't torn off.
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Button's comments after the race also suggested that he was under the impression Vettel had got to the front by going long on the hard tyres and making 1 stop. He had no idea how Vettel's race had unfolded and was in no position to comment on it.
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Why do people complain about Hammy being miserable and unlikeable and then cheer for Kimi? He seems like a horrible person.
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Yeah I agree, Red Bull have become what Ferrari were accused of when Schumacher was the the winning driver.
They seem to get away with bending the rules (blown diffusers, adjustable ride height etc) , knocking cars all over the place and still moan about everyone else on the track.
I don't dislike them as a team but Vettel and particularly Webber ruined a lot of peoples race today.
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Who's race did Vettel ruin?
The team is British. Toleman > Benetton > Renault > Lotus. All the same team. Up to the mid 90's they held a British licence and thus had the British anthem, then they switched to Italian, then French and now back to British.
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Was in stitches at this 
The British license this time round was part of the now non existent Lotus deal though. A lot of the time its just something dictated by the major sponsor. Virgin switched from a British license to a Russian one when Marussia came on board, and Caterham are Malaysian from the Proton/Lotus Racing days.
I've no idea why Toro Rosso are Italian though? Or are they based in Italy?
They're still based out of Minardi's premises in Faenza...
He's finnish! Hakkinen was the same but it's hilarious
hakkinen had fun in interviews kimi is relatively boring
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The thing is driving through the grid is relative, any of Ferrari, Mclaren, Lotus and to a lesser degree Sauber, Merc, Force India(those three depends on the race) can basically glide through the back 10 cars, thats a non issue.
Just about every "fast" car infront of him had a problem, except Button, who was just pathetic considering he had an identical car to Hamilton his performance was nothing short of embarrassing and frankly he's the worst driver in a top team IMHO, but he still did well to pass him.
It wasn't a bad drive, but he effectively didn't have to pass a fast car during that race, and ultimately the second fastest car on track passing the 10th to 24th fastest.... isn't impressive.
Had Webber and Perez hit no one, maybe he'd have had 3rd, but in all likelyhood he would have come somewhere like 7th-9th depending on what kind of day the Merc's were having, and he'd have had a significantly, massively harder fight on his hands.
The right pitstop and the right timed safety car can EASILY be the difference between dead last, and winning. Button proved this at Canada, not a great drive, 100% luck, pit, fresh tyres, perfectly timed safety car, can put anyone at the front frankly, in Canada he had poor weather on his side making fresh tyres ridiculously effective IIRC, here Vettel had everyone ahead of him smash into each other.
Vettel starting second, and catching and passing Hamilton(without his car failing) would have been significantly more impressive than what he did today.
I mean, lets be honest, a list of cars who got screwed to move vettel up to 3rd today.
Schumi, Rossberg, Hamilton, Perez, Massa, Grosjean, Webber, Hulkenberg, so just about every single car between Vettel, and 3rd, wiped themselves out in one way or another..... hardly drove through the grid, the grid all jumped out of his damn way(except the people and the marker boards he hit of course
).If Button, Hamilton, Webber, Alonso, Massa go from 24th, to 3rd, when the 8 fastest cars between them don't need to be passed, and the rest are pathetically, painfully slow to start with, you really think anyone would call it a great drive for them as well?
It's not Vettel's fault, he certainly drove well in terms of pace and didn't lose an awful lot of time passing crappy backmarkers... considering Webbers issues passing people you do suspect that in a normal race setup Vettel would have done far worse and been stuck behind more people more often, so starting from the pits likely helped massively in changing the car setup. He did everything he could, arguably, arguably if he'd not hit Senna he might have done even better, though he may have done worse. Having fresher tyres throughout most of the race than most of the drivers certainly helps pass people on track so he may NOT have done better without the extra pitstop, especially as both were helped drastically by the safety car.
The race also might have turned out dramatically differently if everyone pitted at both safety cars(though again Vettel going right before the second safety car would have still been a ridiculously huge advantage).
He did what he was able to, no less, but he still didn't have to fight most of the fast cars on the track and I feel anyone in the top 6-8 cars could have achieved what he did today.
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Drunkenmaster, I couldn't have put it better myself. Vettel drove very well, but because of ridiculously good luck he finished 3rd instead of ~8th.
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