Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22

[neil_g]

What a season finish! Best season in F1 for decades. MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX! Sick of Toto and Hamilton's childish complaints all the time as soon as something doesn't go their way. Finally, they have to step down and accept reality.

the reality that max did not have pace today and needed fia meddling to win?

 

[pioneer2000]

What a mess!
Not sure Merc are doing themselves any favours protesting, take it on the chin and keep it classy, then see what you can do next year.

so what happens when they let a blatant disregard for the rules go this time round and then the same thing happens next season? They only reasonable decision is to appeal…

 

[Slam62]

In fact I can't think of any racing series anywhere in the world at any time when this has been done.

 

[JUMPURS]

The whole argument is that, the rule you quote was ignored.

It should NOT have been ignored at all, it should have been followed to the letter, from the start to the end of that rule.

Not made up as you go along.

the rule does not state that that process must be implemented, or is it in an earlier part of the rule?
People don’t want the lapped cars going past, but in your reason then that would break the rules. It’s at the race directors discretion weather or not to allow lapped cars to pass, it is not a given.

 

[this_is_gav]

Childish? Lol have you ever heard Karen Horner?

Only from immature people here. Toto has been better, but not by much. His crying on the radio under and after the safety car today was pitiful, far worse than Horner has ever done.

Should just send everyone to Spa and actually have an actual race there. I'd even let stappen keep his his joke points from that race.

In the snow. Yeah!

 

[englishpremier]

they also made hamilton lose a huge lead, and gave max a free pit stop, but apparently that's within the rules.
trash rules. this race wasn't even close.

Do you even follow F1, that is how safety cars work. The cars bunch up to create space on track. Cars can pit if the pitlane is open (it's always), and in doing so they lose less time than if the cars aren't going around at safety car speed.

 

[Demon]

Ah yes, forgot, UK forums. Toto begging Masi at the end was the cherry on the cake for me.

That was not classy, and I hate to see that, but I don't know what you are smoking if you are happy accepting RBR and the whining..

All of it should stop!

Are you a Max fan? If so, congrats to Max, not the best finish and a bit cloudy with not winning it outright, but that's how it goes sometimes!

 

[Flibster]

The whole argument is that, the rule you quote was ignored.

It should NOT have been ignored at all, it should have been followed to the letter, from the start to the end of that rule.

Not made up as you go along.

Add to that, that once the final lapped car has passed, the safety car will return to the pits on the following lap.

We pretty much got "These 5 cars can overtake... and he race is on again"

If they followed the rules, the safety car could have come in when it did, but Verstappen would have to get past the 5 lapped cars, or, let the lapped cars past and end the race behind the safety car.

 

[Jono8]

Well as per me showing the if..then part of the rule not being met, what rule was broken?

I think your brain is stuck. You do realise that your argument is then that the race director can just make anything up, however unfair it is?

 

[Mesai]

the reality that max did not have pace today and needed fia meddling to win?

You can find a reason to favour one driver over the other in almost every prior race. FIA has been all over the place this year.

 

[el_dazza]

Being the FIA, it wouldn't surprise me if they were ordered to race 10 laps around Silverstone in the snow on Christmas day, on slick tyres and whoever sets the fastest lap wins.

 

[Freakbro]

Yes, it went out.

Not really, it didn't say "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" only that specific lapped cars could overtake.

If we're being technical about it

Which we are

 

[Mr Jack]

For me, Max, Red Bull, Lewis, and Mercedes all behaved entirely fairly and reasonably. Really unhappy that Masi's bungling has turned it into a controversy.

 

[the wopster]

Ferarri should get an appeal in also because they would have had 2 v 1 versus Max for second and then Lewis on old tyres

 

[Entai]

the rule does not state that that process must be implemented, or is it in an earlier part of the rule?
People don’t want the lapped cars going past, but in your reason then that would break the rules. It’s at the race directors discretion weather or not to allow lapped cars to pass, it is not a given.

Yes it is at his discretion.


Either he does implenent the rules as written, and then he must follow the rules of allowing all to pass, and bring safety car in on the following lap.

Or he does not implement the rules


He MUST NEVER make up his own rules on the spot.

 

[agnes]

That was not classy, and I hate to see that, but I don't know what you are smoking if you are happy accepting RBR and the whining..

All of it should stop!

Are you a Max fan? If so, congrats to Max, not the best finish and a bit cloudy with not winning it outright, but that's how it goes sometimes!

Honestly, I'm not a fan of any single racer, I'm oddly a Lando supporter. I just absolutely loved this season and all the dirt it's thrown up. I came here to ruffle a few feathers and to those who bit. I genuinely am only messing. I accept the FIA has been an absolute mess all season. Hamiltons flat out pace is mind boggling and it's why he's a championship winner of 7 years.

All that aside, I've had an absolute blast watching this season. My wife has also indulged and become hooked because of this season and it's drama, this is what I wanted and I got it. So yea, I'm riding high right now.

 

[JUMPURS]

Yes, it went out.

that screenshot does not show the message ‘LAPPED CARS ARE ALLOWED TO OVERTAKE’

Which is in bold and a quote in the rules so must go out to the letter.

 

[Kenai]

the rule does not state that that process must be implemented, or is it in an earlier part of the rule?
People don’t want the lapped cars going past, but in your reason then that would break the rules. It’s at the race directors discretion weather or not to allow lapped cars to pass, it is not a given.

Not gonna paste the entire section because it pastes horribly but reading through 48.10 onwards, it's difficult to make a case for Masi not throwing at least one of them in the bin, if not more.

 

[neil_g]

You can find a reason to favour one driver over the other in almost every prior race. FIA has been all over the place this year.

Oh definitely. No escaping the fia and stewards have been a complete farce this year.

 

[Bubo]

In the snow. Yeah!

Let them race in snow plough trucks instead. I would actually pay to watch that. On second thoughts Verstappen might quite like the idea of having a plough fitted to the front of his vehicle and make it worse.

 

[JUMPURS]

Yes it is at his discretion.


Either he does implenent the rules as written, and then he must follow the rules of allowing all to pass, and bring safety car in on the following lap.

Or he does not implement the rules


He MUST NEVER make up his own rules on the spot.

So he did not implement that rule as per his discretion. So now we have established that, what rule did he break?