Abu Qatada

With this sort of thinking you may as well say that none of us are a race and should all call ourselves African. Stop trying to be clever.

I could pretend to be stupid in order to please you...but I won't.

It could reasonably be argued that there's no such thing as "race", but that wouldn't make everyone African. There's no sensible reason to make that claim. I certainly didn't make it. African ancestry, yes, a long time ago, but that doesn't make everyone African today any more than everyone is homo erectus today. Ancestry is the past, not the present.

Tell me what you mean by "race" (since it has no real meaning, different people assign different meanings to it) and why you think "British" is a race. For bonus points, try providing any reason why you think so.

Race is a made up thing, but so is mathematics and language.
But neither of those were made up to serve the purpose of pretending that irrational prejudices aren't irrational prejudices.

Classifications have a purpose and if you don't agree, well hey, don't, but telling the rest of us that it's silly is laughable.
Classifications have a variety of purposes. Classifications that have any beneficial purposes must be based on real and relevant criteria and treated as relevant only to the extent that they actually are relevant. If you think that constructing a "race" (as opposed to a nationality) and calling it "the British" is beneficial, feel free to explain why.

Taking a classification created for political reasons by the Roman empire and pretending despite all evidence to the contrary that it's a biological classification is silly. Applying it to a different area to that which the Roman empire applied it to is a slight decoration of foolishness to add to the silliness.

I didn't say that all classifications are silly. You just made that up as a strawman for you to defeat and pretend it was me.
 
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I could pretend to be stupid in order to please you...but I won't.

It could reasonably be argued that there's no such thing as "race", but that wouldn't make everyone African. There's no sensible reason to make that claim. I certainly didn't make it. African ancestry, yes, a long time ago, but that doesn't make everyone African today any more than everyone is homo erectus today. Ancestry is the past, not the present.

Tell me what you mean by "race" (since it has no real meaning, different people assign different meanings to it) and why you think "British" is a race. For bonus points, try providing any reason why you think so.

But neither of those were made up to serve the purpose of pretending that irrational prejudices aren't irrational prejudices.

Classifications have a variety of purposes. Classifications that have any beneficial purposes must be based on real and relevant criteria and treated as relevant only to the extent that they actually are relevant. If you think that constructing a "race" (as opposed to a nationality) and calling it "the British" is beneficial, feel free to explain why.

Taking a classification created for political reasons by the Roman empire and pretending despite all evidence to the contrary that it's a biological classification is silly. Applying it to a different area to that which the Roman empire applied it to is a slight decoration of foolishness to add to the silliness.

I didn't say that all classifications are silly. You just made that up as a strawman for you to defeat and pretend it was me.

I wasn't trying to defeat you mate and I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Your opinions are second hand and contrived so I called you on your BS. If you can't take that this ain't the best place to air your views as people will argue no matter what. Then they'll reply to each of your sentences, virtually wasting loads of their own time to prove you "wrong". It's not worth taking too seriously and using phrases like "straw man" that are just devices to try to win debates.
 
And what first-hand personal experiences do you have with such matters? Oh yeah, none.

Like I need any :confused: It's hardly compelling is it... "Oh yeah, someone at a hospital told me all about those nasty EDL harming thousands"

Please.

Where did I promise proof, or describe any of my posts as proof?

So you were just spouting garbage/on the wind up? Fair play.
 
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I wasn't trying to defeat you mate and I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Your opinions are second hand and contrived so I called you on your BS. If you can't take that this ain't the best place to air your views as people will argue no matter what. Then they'll reply to each of your sentences, virtually wasting loads of their own time to prove you "wrong". It's not worth taking too seriously and using phrases like "straw man" that are just devices to try to win debates.

You made up a position that you knew was wrong, argued against it and then wrongly claimed that I had taken that position and you had shown me to be wrong. That's a classic straw man argument. You did it because you know I'm right and you have no counter-argument. If you did, you would have used it instead of constructing a strawman to fight. You are unable to support your own position or counter mine, so you have to declare me wrong by your decree alone and fight straw men of your own creation that you pretend are me.

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to try to explain why.
 
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Like I need any :confused: It's hardly compelling is it... "Oh yeah, someone at a hospital told me all about those nasty EDL harming thousands"

Please.

Anecdotal evidence of isolated incidences is never the best, as people tend to paint the whole picture with big, ignorant, sweeping statements - you agree on this principle then? :D
 
Like I need any :confused: It's hardly compelling is it... "Oh yeah, someone at a hospital told me all about those nasty EDL harming thousands"

Please.



So you were just spouting garbage/on the wind up? Fair play.

It wasn't 'someone at a hospital' it is someone I'm close to.

I'm not on a wind-up at all. It stands to reason, unless this one area's EDL are markedly different to the rest of the country's, that you can multiply the amount of injuries. Probably by several magnitudes. This is only one town.

Oh absolutely, ignorance is bliss.

Would that this was the case. With the EDL ignorance is hatred and prejudice.
 
You made up a position that you knew was wrong, argued against it and then wrongly claimed that I had taken that position and you had shown me to be wrong. That's a classic straw man argument. You did it because you know I'm right and you have no counter-argument. If you did, you would have used it instead of constructing a strawman to fight. You are unable to support your own position or counter mine, so you have to declare me wrong by your decree alone and fight straw men of your own creation that you pretend are me.

If you think I'm wrong, feel free to try to explain why.

I've already called you on your BS. You know that your opinions are disingenuous. No point in me arguing with you.

You can say strawman another 15 times if you like.
 
I've already called you on your BS. You know that your opinions are disingenuous. No point in me arguing with you.

You can say strawman another 15 times if you like.

Can you please point out where you answered his questions? Genuinely interested :)
 
Can you please point out where you answered his questions? Genuinely interested :)

I didn't answer his questions. Nor do I intend to. Nor do I claim to have done so.

I know you're amongst the people that revel in long, protracted arguments, but I don't have the time, the patience nor the inclination to do so. I have stated my opinion. and that's the end of it.

You're another one of the people that haunt these messageboards that state opinions you don't truly believe in for attention seeking purposes.

"Genuinely interested :)" No you're not, you're, like whatever his name is, trying to be clever. Yawn.
 
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well this has been a riveting discussion..........

Now can we all please get along.
 
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