Adam Johnson - The Results Show

Sunderland won't care and it won't damage he club and let's face it beyond the few fans who know the family involved I very much doubt the fans even care. Horrible for the lass involved but it's a bit indicative of society that the above will undoubtedly occur.

I think if this happened at any club the above would occur it's football tribalism at its worst.
 
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sigma said:
I must admit I have not followed it closely.

I thought they initially did suspend him when the original case came out last year? What are the legal requirements when someone is charged?

Again, do the club really give a flying ****? I honestly don't think they do. They needed the points, he was one of their star players, I reckon they'd do the same again next time.
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Sunderland would have played Jimmy Savile up front if it meant staying in the premier league, they have no morals what so ever.
 
TBH I think most clubs would do whatever it takes to hold on to one of their best players if threatened by relegation. IIRC Johnson was playing well at the time and scored some key goals? Sunderland will probably just deny it and throw one or two member of staff under the bus with a big pay off for their troubles.
 
Of course they would. woppy's just sticking the boot in because it's Sunderland. Practically no clubs have morals - woppy forgets his club signed a convicted criminal.
 
Taking out the legal speak, what has he actually admitted to?

It's basically kissing her and messaging her, right?

And he's going to get 4-10 years for that?

Does kind of seem odd, when people found guilty of manslaughter can and do get sentences of less than 4 years.

an analysis carried out by the Telegraph has found that the average prison term handed down for reported cases of one punch manslaughter since 2010 is still only three years and ten months
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I mean, messaging and kissing a 15 year old can get you up to ten years; killing a man can net you less than 4 (presumably out earlier for good behaviour).

How much of the sentence depends on the public outcry during the trial? How much of our current sentencing makes any sense whatsoever?
 
Then there's this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-and-that-she-claimed-she-was-pregnant.html

Female teacher has sex with 15 year old male student "over 50 times"... gets two year /suspended/ sentence.

Johnson messages and kisses a 15 year old girl... expected to get up to 10 years in the slammer.

Again, where is the consistency?

edit: I can't get my head around this either:

Code: 
Engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child		10 years
Causing a child to watch a sexual act	                	10 years
Meeting child following sexual grooming	                	10 years
Abuse of trust: sexual activity with a child	       	         5 years

Sex with a child gets you less jail time than having sex in front of a child?

Who the heck writes these sentences?
 
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It's probably his predatorial behaviour more than anything, he knew she was underage and wasn't deterred. As far as the authorities go he's now potentially a threat to all children.

Women do seem to get off lightly but they only fight for equality when it suits.
 
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woppy101 said:
You may want to double check before you make yourself look stupid, Cisse was 15-16 at the time the girl was 13-14 he also married the girl :rolleyes:
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Age of consent in Senegal is 16, she was 13 at the time and he was 16 or over. Still a nonce (technically) and left her with a kid.

I don't care whether you don't think it's as serious, however his wife did have to falsify the birth certificate so no one would know. Fact is he's not someone I'd celebrate.
 
Sounds like she did know that he admitted to kissing her and she allowed him to continue playing.

I have just read an article about Johnson's sister posting a "Justice for Johnson" picture on Facebook, yes he's family but seriously!?
 
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I have just read an article about Johnson's sister posting a "Justice for Johnson" picture on Facebook, yes he's family but seriously!?
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Does seem a little dense it's not like he's pleading innocence.
 
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Leaving aside the crime/wrongdoing itself, I can't help but think "what a muppet". I can kind of understand Joe Average grooming a 15yo if he wants a bit extra on the side, but if you are a premiership footballer on 60 grand a week there must a long line of women (not girls) queuing up round the block to drop their knickers. Once he discovered she was underage he should have written her off as the potential damage to his career is vast (as has become evident). Obviously it is morally wrong as well but even if you leave that completely out of it and assume he has no morals, it is just stupid from a technical perspective.
 
FoxEye said:
Then there's this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...es-and-that-she-claimed-she-was-pregnant.html

Female teacher has sex with 15 year old male student "over 50 times"... gets two year /suspended/ sentence.

Johnson messages and kisses a 15 year old girl... expected to get up to 10 years in the slammer.

Again, where is the consistency?

edit: I can't get my head around this either:

Code: 
Engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child		10 years
Causing a child to watch a sexual act	                	10 years
Meeting child following sexual grooming	                	10 years
Abuse of trust: sexual activity with a child	       	         5 years

Sex with a child gets you less jail time than having sex in front of a child?

Who the heck writes these sentences?
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I'm pretty sure the abuse of trust part covers that. As in that would apply when say a teacher sleeps with a 16-18 yr old student of theirs. While of legal age the abuse of trust still make that illegal. A student is supposed to feel safe with a teacher having an almost guardian like role.

So in that case the student might be of legal age, consent to the sex but it's still deemed by society that teachers, policemen, family doctors, etc, should not take advantage of children that maybe grew up under these peoples influence.

The only difficulty there is using the word child. However the abuse of trust is pretty well known to mean the situation I've described here.

So yeah, sleeping with an underage child should carry a higher sentence than sleep with a 16-18 yr old 'child' when the older person is in a position of authority.


In Johnson's case he attempted to manipulate a under age child into performing sex acts. I haven't read the texts but everyone says they are damning so I presume he was saying things like just meet me up and I'll buy you something, she gets there and is begging her to do stuff with him.

Also, it's not just kissing, he was found guilty of... it really needs a better and less crass name for it, fingering her. He was found not guilty(ie insufficient proof) of having her go down on him. By the sounds of it he was found not guilty of that because she claimed he was completely shaved and Steven Fletcher was asked to testify that Johnson wasn't completely shaved(having seen him in the locker room at Sunderland), not sure if that part of the story is bull or not and apparently he didn't actually testify in the end.

AFAIK he also had them switch to snapchat to remove records of their contact, indicating he knew exactly what he was doing and knew without a doubt it was wrong. For all we know he moved to snapchat to start sending naughty pictures to her and to ask her for pics of herself which itself would be child porn and very illegal.

Also yes HangTime, he's a complete idiot. A millionaire with millions left to be made before he retires just from playing football, then the potential for being paid 20-50k a week to be a pundit, maybe he was manager material, or open up several businesses all of which he loses out on to bang one particular girl rather than anyone else.

Footballers/rich people have as you say loads of women happy to drop their panties for them, or he could afford the highest class and hottest looking escorts on the planet. he could even have banged other people for a couple of years and then slept with her at a later date although the grooming thing could still apply. The sheer stupidity of it is beyond belief.
 
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But if the only thing he plead guilty to was the kissing, and he's found not guilty on the other charges, could he really get 10-14 years for grooming and then kissing a 15 year old?

Whilst I'm not condoning anything he's done, it seems odd that could potentially be the case, when punching someone to death gets you an average sentence of under 4 years.

I find it odd if that can happen.
 
When you punch someone, there tends not to be an intention to kill them (nor an expectation that punching them is likely to kill them). Grooming a schoolgirl for your jollies carries a lot of intent.
 
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