Advice on a new build built around the following

Darth Sidius

Darth Sidius

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Hello all and thanks in advance. I posted a while back but then real life took over and I had to leave my new PC purchase on the backburner for a while. Budget is not that much of an issue considering I want to build my system around the below listed components and they make up most of the cost of the system anyway. What I would like is advice on a total build built around these components or alternatives that will give the same performance (For High End Gaming, Autocad and 3D Studio Max)


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-539-IN&groupid=701&catid=6

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-541-IN&groupid=701&catid=6

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-501-IN&groupid=701&catid=6

With the following GPU

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-244-EA



Which is best processor and graphics for extreme gaming and design work/computing etc?

Which is best board for these and what is recommended? Any other advice on other components suchs as Memory, Hardrives (1SSD and 2 HDD depending on size) Cooling, Monitors etc.

Will future upgrades be able to be done with ease or will a new machine need to be built etc?

I am looking to make a meaty purchase now that will last me a good few years but leave me in a decent position to upgrade if and when required.

I have listed a lot and apologies if this is TLDR.

Thanks

Darth
 
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Hi,

Can you tell us what work you do with 3DS Max? Is it for big renders (with complex lighting)/ animation or just modelling? This could have a big impact on what CPU to go for, whether you go for the 4790k or the 4930k.

This goes hand in hand with the GPU too, if you are GPU rendering the TITAN Black is a good choice but not very cost effective for rendering/gaming. If you don't need touse GPU rendering atall, completely forget the TITAN black. The 780Ti is the card you need to look at.

I know you say budget isn't an issue but have you got a top estimate?

Montior wise, i think a decent 1440p would be ideal, as its precise for rendering but not too OTT for gaming, as 4k would be. You will blitz it with just a single 780ti. :)

Let me know the answers to the above and we can sort a spec out for you.
 
Doomedspeed said:
This goes hand in hand with the GPU too, if you are GPU rendering the TITAN Black is a good choice but not very cost effective for rendering/gaming. If you don't need touse GPU rendering atall, completely forget the TITAN black. The 780Ti is the card you need to look at.
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Seems to me the only reason to get the TB over the 780Ti is if you're going to exceed the 3 G memory.
 
Could you please provide a specc for complex lighting/rendering and extreme gaming with costings and one for just modelling and extreme gaming with costings making use of top end components or those just below.

If then there is not a great deal of gulf between them in terms of price I will go with the the top end specc. Even though I will use it for work, it will be for my home system where mainly it will be used for gaming while leaving things to run in the background (multi tasking) or making amendments to already created objects and drawings.

I am not familiar with how much all of this would cost in terms of components so can't really give a ball park figure. However, if I can have a look at pricings for the two scenarios I can then make better decision on budget.

Thanks

Darth
 
joeyjojo said:
Seems to me the only reason to get the TB over the 780Ti is if you're going to exceed the 3 G memory.
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The main selling point for the BLACK as a 'workstation' card is the double precision calculations. This starts to bridge the gap between the £500 780ti and the £2k+ Tesla K20.

I think it might be a good option for the OP.

Darth Sidius said:
Could you please provide a specc for complex lighting/rendering and extreme gaming with costings and one for just modelling and extreme gaming with costings making use of top end components or those just below.

If then there is not a great deal of gulf between them in terms of price I will go with the the top end specc. Even though I will use it for work, it will be for my home system where mainly it will be used for gaming while leaving things to run in the background (multi tasking) or making amendments to already created objects and drawings.

I am not familiar with how much all of this would cost in terms of components so can't really give a ball park figure. However, if I can have a look at pricings for the two scenarios I can then make better decision on budget.

Thanks

Darth
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I've gone for top end first:

YOUR BASKET
2 x Gigabyte GeForce TITAN Black Edition 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £679.99 (£1.00)
1 x Iiyama ProLite B2888UHSU-B1 28" 4K 60Hz 1ms Gaming Widescreen LED Monitor - Black £431.99
1 x Intel 4930K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail (BX80633I74930K) £429.95
1 x Kingston HyperX Beast 32GB (4x8GB) PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit (KHX24C11T3K4/32X) £289.99
1 x Asus Rampage IV Formula Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard £249.95
1 x SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 1300W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £139.99
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
2 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW) £96.98 (£193.96)
1 x Corsair Hydro H105 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060016-WW ) £89.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £54.98
1 x Corsair SP120 Performance Series High Pressure - Dual Pack (CO-9050008-WW) £22
3 x Corsair Air Series AF140 1200RPM LED Red Quiet Edition (CO-9050017-RLED) £10.99 (£32.97)
Total : £3,420.76 (includes shipping : ).



You can drop a TITAN if you wish but 2 TITAN's on a 4K screen would look stunning. :)

So, lower end:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Asus GeForce GTX 780Ti ROG Matrix 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (MATRIX-GTX780TI-P-3GD5) £499.99
1 x Acer XB270HA 27" G-Sync 144Hz Gaming Widescreen LED Monitor - Black/Red £367.99
1 x Intel Core i7-4790K 4.00GHz (Devil's Canyon) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £239.99
1 x Corsair Obsidian 750D Full Tower Case - Black (CC-9011035-WW) £124.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB (2x8GB) PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX24C11T3K2/16X) £119.99
1 x Gigabyte G1.Sniper Z97 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £118.99
1 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW) £96.98
1 x SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 850W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £95.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H105 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060016-WW ) £89.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £54.98
1 x Corsair SP120 Performance Series High Pressure - Dual Pack (CO-9050008-WW) £22
3 x Corsair Air Series AF140 1200RPM LED Red Quiet Edition (CO-9050017-RLED) £10.99 (£32.97)
Total : £1,864.86 (includes shipping : ).



Dropped to a 144hz monitor, with g sync, so Games will still look great.

A single 780ti will power through it with ease.

16GB is fine for lots of modelling and some casual rendering.

A fair difference between the two.
 
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Thanks for the builds. Appreciate your help. One question I do have remaining is in terms of any future upgrades. Are the boards listed above in a position to be stable for a good few years in terms of upgrading to future components ( don't want to be in a position where I have to buy a new board) would rather just plug newer components in without having to worry about the board I have.

Darth
 
For upgradability the Z97 platform is the way to go, as its billed as supporting Broadwell. Though i don't think that'll warrant an upgrade.

X79 is pretty EOL now, though X99 is around the corner so if the hex core is calling to you wait for that.

Personally though, theres no harm in just picking up the haswell rig. It'll bea good 4-5 years before its worth upgrading it anyway.
 
Darth Sidius said:
One question I do have remaining is in terms of any future upgrades. Are the boards listed above in a position to be stable for a good few years in terms of upgrading to future components ( don't want to be in a position where I have to buy a new board) would rather just plug newer components in without having to worry about the board I have.
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The socket that will became obsolete fastest is the CPU one - Intel pretty much replace the socket (or at least the chipset) every 1-2 years. But as Doomedspeed says there aren't expected to be huge leaps in the CPU department any time soon.

The other interfaces (PCI express, SATA, USB...) will be fine for a good long while yet.

So yep exactly what he said ^ :p
 
Doomedspeed said:
For upgradability the Z97 platform is the way to go, as its billed as supporting Broadwell. Though i don't think that'll warrant an upgrade.

X79 is pretty EOL now, though X99 is around the corner so if the hex core is calling to you wait for that.

Personally though, theres no harm in just picking up the haswell rig. It'll bea good 4-5 years before its worth upgrading it anyway.
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Is the X99 due August 29th as some sites state or are we looking at a few more weeks?

Think I am almost there now.

Thanks

Darth

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1 x*Intel 5960X Extreme 3.00GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75960X)*£759.95
1 x*Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 295 X2 8192MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card*£699.95
1 x*Asus Rampage V Extreme Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR EATX Motherboard*£334.99
1 x*Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-23000C16 2800MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M4A2800C16)£281.99
1 x*Phanteks Enthoo Primo Full Tower Case*£179.99
1 x*Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW)*£99.95
1 x*SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 850W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black*£97.99
1 x*Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST3000DM001) HDD*£79.99
*£2,555.02*(includes shipping : £16.85).

Ive decided to go with the x99 rampage v extreme and haswell e 5960 x processor. I am looking for feedback and prices on what other components to get to complete my build. I will be using it for gaming rendering and overclocking. So far i have been kindly assisted in listing the above specification.

Id appreciate your thoughts on the above and any improvements or recomendations provided.

Many thanks

Darth
 
I think the 295x2 is a good choice, though i'd still keep you're eye on the TITAN, as it would help with the rendering side, as many (if not all programs ultilising GPU rendering) don't recognise Xfire Setups, which the 295x2 is, so in Rendering terms, the TITAN is the better choice. Games wise the opposite is true.

I think the CPU is a bit of a waste, do you REALLY need 16 logical cores, the Hex core 5820k is around a third of the price, and give you room to add a 8 core IF you need it. That'd be my choice.

I think YOu can get better value Motherboard and RAM too, they are TOP END but are expensive for what they offer and what you'll use them for.

Really there's no need to spend over £2k-£2.5k, even with a monitor.
 
Doomedspeed said:
I think the 295x2 is a good choice, though i'd still keep you're eye on the TITAN, as it would help with the rendering side, as many (if not all programs ultilising GPU rendering) don't recognise Xfire Setups, which the 295x2 is, so in Rendering terms, the TITAN is the better choice. Games wise the opposite is true.

I think the CPU is a bit of a waste, do you REALLY need 16 logical cores, the Hex core 5820k is around a third of the price, and give you room to add a 8 core IF you need it. That'd be my choice.

I think YOu can get better value Motherboard and RAM too, they are TOP END but are expensive for what they offer and what you'll use them for.

Really there's no need to spend over £2k-£2.5k, even with a monitor.
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Originally Posted by Doomedspeed
I think the 295x2 is a good choice, though i'd still keep you're eye on the TITAN, as it would help with the rendering side, as many (if not all programs ultilising GPU rendering) don't recognise Xfire Setups, which the 295x2 is, so in Rendering terms, the TITAN is the better choice. Games wise the opposite is true.

I think the CPU is a bit of a waste, do you REALLY need 16 logical cores, the Hex core 5820k is around a third of the price, and give you room to add a 8 core IF you need it. That'd be my choice.

I think YOu can get better value Motherboard and RAM too, they are TOP END but are expensive for what they offer and what you'll use them for.

Really there's no need to spend over £2k-£2.5k, even with a monitor.


Ok I should have mentioned that I want a dual screen setup, whereby I can play or have open 2 games e.g Warcraft, FFXIV or Battlefied 4 (Destiny PC when released) side by side (is this possible?) on mid to high settings. They dont both have to be 4k screens but would be nice if I could.
 
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I don't know how possible that is and (if it is) how it would affect CPU core usage. I suspect that 8 cores would fair no better than 4 cores in that situation as they'd be trying to access the same part of the CPU. Especially as games aren't really designed with those HUGE numbers of cores in mind, you may struggle (if you succeed atall).

You'd need more than a 295x2 to run 2 x 4k screens anyway.
 
Darth, having two high end games playing at the same time is beyond the mathematical calculations of any computer speccer on here i'd assume. Most games if not all games are designed to use the majority of the computer's output at any one time. The only games i can comfortably play whilst watching a video at the same time are ones such as fifa and a few MMO's. when it comes to high end FPS games things start to struggle, especially when the game itself normally hijacks the entirety of the GPU usage causing videos to stutter and often disable windows aero.
 
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