Afghanistan - 20 years on

I saw reports saying they had light weight modern body armor, night vision goggles and sniper rifles left behind by the Afghan army.

thats kinda game changing tech for the Taliban or any terrorist groups they could sell it to surely.

any other terrorist groups or maybe even some governments in the region will have worse gear putting them at a disadvantage

It's funny governments like the US want to go after things like cryptocurrency and sanction countries for either funding or trading with terrorist organisations/rogue nations yet here we have the USA literally arming them for free
 
It reminds me of the end of Green Zone where they disbanded the Iraqi army and the character thats based on Paul Bremer the head of the coalition Government. His character "Poundstone rejoins the meeting, only to see Iraqi factional leaders reject Zubaidi, the US's choice as leader of Iraq, as an American puppet and storm out".

It just beggers believe that they didnt think that this would happen or at least it could be one of the possibilities.
 
Only 1,000 Americans left in Afghanistan. Hopefully Biden will be able to get them out pretty soon.

Meanwhile, screw the Afghans they'll be even less able to process, screw the international partners who don't even know for sure when the US might go for the final rug pull and just leave, they're not too great at bothering to coordinate much here... and sadly they've now lost a dozen service personnel thanks to basically having no control of security outside the immediate perimeter of the airport.
 
The whole premise of this hap hazard retreat was apparently to safeguard American lives and to pull the soldiers out of an ongoing bloody and expensive war.

Yet the shortsightedness and the manner in which it’s been conducted created the airport and evacuation mess and has how resulted in the greatest loss of American lives in Afghanistan for something like ten years, and hundreds of dead Afghanistan (and probably American) civilians.

It’s a shocking and absurd situation.

RIP to the soldiers who were working in terrible circumstances trying to ensure people could escape tyranny. Hero’s all of them.

Yup it's a total farce, as I've pointed out to people previously, the US had stopped participating in major combat operations a few years ago, the last US KIA before today was like 2016 IIRC, 5 years ago... now the'yve lost a dozen in an instant. All this nonsense about forever wars was guff, they could have kept a presence there for years longer.

Alternatively, if withdrawing, they were on their own timetable - someone pointed out the Taliban might get angry, but the Taliban had already not held up their side of the deal and Biden had already pushed back Trump's deadline... he's got the most power here, he could push it back further... what could the Taliban do? Try to kill Americans just as they'd been trying to do for years and without much success during the years from 2016 to Trump's deal... I mean it's farcical almost to blame it all on Trump, that's not to say Trump couldn't also have screwed this up spectacularly (he quite likely could/would have) but rather the US wasn't beholden to his deal, they did push back the date, they could have pushed it back some more or indeed they could have walked away from it unless the Taliban played ball. Just pulling the rug out as they did left a huge and quite sudden power vacuum and has ended up with this farce whereby they're now stuck at the airport.
 
"Gen. McKenzie says he doesn't believe #ISIS has the capability to take down an aircraft."

Just seen that - given the amount of MANPADS floating around with at least one Igla photographed in what seems to be ISIS hands (albeit nothing to say it was functional) and the number of "technicals" sporting ZU-23- I wouldn't be so sure (albeit a lot harder to use anti-aircraft guns against aircraft in these circumstances when DIY'd onto pickups, etc.).

Obviously once they'd climbed to altitude they'd be well out of reach of such weapons - but they have to get there first.

Yeah, that's still a big worry, it's not in the interests of the main Taliban leadership obviously but some hardline faction or indeed ISIS and it's a bit worrying... Obvs a technical moving into Kabul is a bit obvious and you'd hope the Taliban would stop it, bit easier to spot and stop than an individual suicide bomber.

The US/UK clearly had intelligence about this suicide bomber, it was announced on social media even hours before the attack that one was imminent, you'd hope they'd similarly get intelligence re: a possible attempt to bring down a plane.

The particularly **** situation is just the lack of control of anything outside the airport, there are pretty standard drills to stop planes from being shot down, involving sending patrols out along the flight path, can't exactly do that if you can barely move beyond the airport aside from popping in and out of Kabul to pick up citizens... the Taliban would likely take less kindly to general armed patrols.
 
Now news reports are saying that the Americans have given the Taliban lists of the afghans who worked with them (so as to let them know who to let into the airport), but the result is door to door searches and executions
 
I'd say that can't be THAT dumb...

I dunno... the'yve done some other stuff that has the side effect of screwing over more Afghans... like when evacuating the embassy, rather than bundle them into some cases and take with they decided to just destroy the unprocessed visa applications/passports etc.. of a bunch of Afghans.

Two of the Afghan embassy employees with "unrestricted access" passes, were left behind at the embassy and now have no way of getting to the airport, no plan for evacuating them... despite being clearly highly trusted employees who've worked with the US directly.

Edit, here is the story:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/...of-americans-afghan-allies-to-evacuate-506957

U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green card holders and Afghan allies to grant entry into the militant-controlled outer perimeter of the city’s airport, a choice that's prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials.

The move, detailed to POLITICO by three U.S. and congressional officials, was designed to expedite the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from Afghanistan as chaos erupted in Afghanistan’s capital city last week after the Taliban seized control of the country. It also came as the Biden administration has been relying on the Taliban for security outside the airport.

Since the fall of Kabul in mid-August, nearly 100,000 people have been evacuated, most of whom had to pass through the Taliban's many checkpoints. But the decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials.

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic. “It’s just appalling and shocking and makes you feel unclean.”

Asked about POLITICO's reporting during a Thursday news conference, President Joe Biden said he wasn't sure there were such lists, but also didn't deny that sometimes the U.S. hands over names to the Taliban.
 
Clearly, various countries, with far fewer people to evacuate on their lists, haven't managed to do so sadly - the Netherlands, Canada, Finland...




Last bit is interesting too, at one point seemingly they were going to try to have some Turkish troops remaining at the airport for a bit to provide security, could have been useful when the UK/US withdraws Turkey perhaps less of a target for Islamists etc.. Taliban hasn't been so enthusiastic though and now Turkey is withdrawing anyway given the deteriorating security situation:

https://www.ft.com/content/22046156-b4de-4b4c-abb5-1ae388f763c9
FT said:
Turkey’s military has begun withdrawing its troops from Kabul airport, the country’s defence ministry said on Wednesday, apparently scrapping its offer to secure Afghanistan’s main link with the outside world in the face of opposition from the Taliban.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s president, had in recent days reiterated his intention of keeping a 500-strong battalion at the airport, even after the collapse of the Afghan government and the Taliban’s capture of the capital. He said his government was negotiating with the Taliban to persuade it to let Turkey stay.
But the Taliban has repeatedly said Turkey must leave with other Nato troops or it would be viewed as an occupation force.

I guess the last troops out are going to have an interesting time, handing over to the Taliban, hoping they can maintain security/prevent and ISIS attacks or attacks from more hardline factions within their own organisation + of course the worry of lots of civilians breaching the airport etc.. a load of them seemingly wil be left behind now sadly, that's not going to make for pretty scenes.

Whole thing has plenty more risk to it, could be a bit chaotic to say the least.
 
Now news reports are saying that the Americans have given the Taliban lists of the afghans who worked with them (so as to let them know who to let into the airport), but the result is door to door searches and executions
bet the nazis did the same, which is what america is from a perspective of most people who live in the middle east
 
America has come second only to Britain in how embarrassing it is on the world stage. First the January 6th riot where traitors attempted their revolution and were let off completely free, to a full scale retreat after a 20 year failed war. We’ve shift ourselves in the foot with Brexit, left Europe, only to be mugged right off by the USA we were trying to follow and have influence with.
 
America has come second only to Britain in how embarrassing it is on the world stage. First the January 6th riot where traitors attempted their revolution and were let off completely free, to a full scale retreat after a 20 year failed war. We’ve shift ourselves in the foot with Brexit, left Europe, only to be mugged right off by the USA we were trying to follow and have influence with.
America didn't want us to leave the EU if I remember right
 
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