Afghanistan - 20 years on

ianh said:
Hey remember that last drone strike near the airport that everyone's now forgotten about a few weeks later because the news has moved on? The one which a suicide bomber in a car was targetted and the US Military said that the proof was the large secondary explosions after the strike? That strike?

Well it turns out the US Military just lied in a cover-up after making a mistake.

When journalists do actual investigative journalism I'm behind them 100% and in this case the New York Times decided to actually do some investigative journalism and ewhat they found was that the whole chain of events, as told by the US Military, rather than being a suicide bomber, is simply an aid worker driving around doing his job trying to help people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html

I understand that mistakes can be made in high pressure situations but when General Milley, the highest ranked Military Officer in the US, said “Because there were secondary explosions, there is a reasonable conclusion to be made that there is explosives in that vehicle,” and that turns out to be a lie, that means that someone in the kill chain has done so deliberately in an attempt to cover-up their mistake because, to quote the Times -



Looking at the images myself it's extremely clear there's been no secondary "larger" explosion/explosion's, just the usual sort of damage caused by a single Hellfire to a pick-up (seen it a few times).

Now if this was a Hollywood movie there'd be a massive investigation, Tom Cruise would get some Officer to shout "You can't handle the truth" etc and the someone would end up in jail for this cover-up but sadly, back in the real world, absolutely nothing will be done to the person who, rather than admit a mistake has been made, has lied to their command instead.
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Biden's team hit the wrong person.
And killed children. More blood on his hands.
 
B&W said:
Need to stop looking at this from a western moral relativism viewpoint this is why 20 years have been wasted.
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Hardly wasted.

This time last month Afghanistan had a women's football team, female scientists, rights, etc.

Today there are four year old girls being auctioned off in Kabul market.

Sometimes preventing bad things from happening is an achievement/success all in of itself, 20 years well spent and a job well done by our armed forces, just a shame the politicians couldn't have done a better job.
 
ubersonic said:
This time last month Afghanistan had a women's football team, female scientists, rights, etc.

Today there are four year old girls being auctioned off in Kabul market.

Sometimes preventing bad things from happening is an achievement/success all in of itself, 20 years well spent and a job well done by our armed forces, just a shame the politicians couldn't have done a better job.
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Didn't they have female sports, education, jobs etc.. under the soviets too. I wonder what the Western news stories were back then.
 
ubersonic said:
Hardly wasted.

This time last month Afghanistan had a women's football team, female scientists, rights, etc.

Today there are four year old girls being auctioned off in Kabul market.

Sometimes preventing bad things from happening is an achievement/success all in of itself, 20 years well spent and a job well done by our armed forces, just a shame the politicians couldn't have done a better job.
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Four year old girls being auctioned?

Utter horse ****, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

For the last 20 years thousands of Afghans have died for some stupid liberal utopia that they never wanted or believed in.

Who gives a **** about women's football team when half the country can barely afford to feed themselves or are vulnerable to highway robbers and gangsters.

Faux morality makes me sick.

Your post itself is a prime example of everything that is wrong with western liberal thinking on Afghanistan.
 
ianh said:
Hey remember that last drone strike near the airport that everyone's now forgotten about a few weeks later because the news has moved on? The one which a suicide bomber in a car was targetted and the US Military said that the proof was the large secondary explosions after the strike? That strike?

Well it turns out the US Military just lied in a cover-up after making a mistake.

When journalists do actual investigative journalism I'm behind them 100% and in this case the New York Times decided to actually do some investigative journalism and ewhat they found was that the whole chain of events, as told by the US Military, rather than being a suicide bomber, is simply an aid worker driving around doing his job trying to help people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html

I understand that mistakes can be made in high pressure situations but when General Milley, the highest ranked Military Officer in the US, said “Because there were secondary explosions, there is a reasonable conclusion to be made that there is explosives in that vehicle,” and that turns out to be a lie, that means that someone in the kill chain has done so deliberately in an attempt to cover-up their mistake because, to quote the Times -



Looking at the images myself it's extremely clear there's been no secondary "larger" explosion/explosion's, just the usual sort of damage caused by a single Hellfire to a pick-up (seen it a few times).

Now if this was a Hollywood movie there'd be a massive investigation, Tom Cruise would get some Officer to shout "You can't handle the truth" etc and the someone would end up in jail for this cover-up but sadly, back in the real world, absolutely nothing will be done to the person who, rather than admit a mistake has been made, has lied to their command instead.
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And for twenty years how much **** like this has happened that has been brushed under the carpet and totally ignored?

At least this **** will finish now. But of course what is more important is a transgender academy be setup in Kabul according to some people here..
 
B&W said:
Four year old girls being auctioned?

Utter horse ****, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

For the last 20 years thousands of Afghans have died for some stupid liberal utopia that they never wanted or believed in.

Who gives a **** about women's football team when half the country can barely afford to feed themselves or are vulnerable to highway robbers and gangsters.

Faux morality makes me sick.

Your post itself is a prime example of everything that is wrong with western liberal thinking on Afghanistan.
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You really believe that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are liberals?
 
B&W said:
Four year old girls being auctioned?

Utter horse ****, don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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Oh noes the mainstreem medias are reporting things it must just be fake news and fotoshops!

Seriously dude take the tin foil hat off and stop getting your news from Facebook groups >.>
 
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And in a shocking surprise to absolutely no-one the US has finally admitted what we've known for a week, the drone strike mentioned earlier did in fact kill an aid worker, two adults and 7 kids and NOT the ISIS-K suicide bomber that they'd been boasting about for 2 weeks before hand.

Again, with ZERO evidence other than the car make/model/colour, the US decided to kill someone regardless of collateral damage and with absolutely no proof of who was in the car or their intentions and, once it became obvious that they'd screwed up, the first Instinct was to lie and smear the aid worker they'd killed instead of being open and honest, but don't worry an "internal investigation" will take place and "lessons will be learned" whilst they pay off the families of the dead :rolleyes:
 
They also said no disciplinary action expected (just a shrug of the shoulders and ‘oops’).

Anyway let’s be honest, they’ve been doing things like this for 20+ years, it’s just this time the world was watching Kabul extra closely and when they ****ed up they couldn’t maintain the lie or hand-wave it away. After the airport attack they were clearly desperate to get something else to put on the news and what better than a ‘we mean business’ revenge strike that only resulted in smearing a random family across the front of their home.

Time to take bets on their upcoming ‘domestic war on terror’ leading to a Hellfire missile taking out a kids party in middle America off the back of bad intel.
 
Somnambulist said:
They also said no disciplinary action expected (just a shrug of the shoulders and ‘oops’).

Anyway let’s be honest, they’ve been doing things like this for 20+ years, it’s just this time the world was watching Kabul extra closely and when they ****ed up they couldn’t maintain the lie or hand-wave it away. After the airport attack they were clearly desperate to get something else to put on the news and what better than a ‘we mean business’ revenge strike that only resulted in smearing a random family across the front of their home.

Time to take bets on their upcoming ‘domestic war on terror’ leading to a Hellfire missile taking out a kids party in middle America off the back of bad intel.
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Conveniently far, far away. "We just killed a dozen people including children. Oops!" heck they're not even real people anyway just a bunch of images on TV. Not like real, breathing, americans with y'know, legal rights 'n' stuff.
 
B&W said:
Four year old girls being auctioned?

Utter horse ****, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

For the last 20 years thousands of Afghans have died for some stupid liberal utopia that they never wanted or believed in.

Who gives a **** about women's football team when half the country can barely afford to feed themselves or are vulnerable to highway robbers and gangsters.

Faux morality makes me sick.

Your post itself is a prime example of everything that is wrong with western liberal thinking on Afghanistan.
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Do you think, all things considered, that they will be better off under Taliban rule?
 
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