Afghanistan - 20 years on

Do you know for a fact that most rural Afghans want the Taliban back? and that is the reason they are making gains?

I think to say there is a big plan behind all this is giving the west far too much credit, I think they are genuinely surprised at the speed this has all happened and are now clearly in damage limitation mode. Geopolitically this could be a massive error. In terms of chess, it's enabling other "world" players to move their pieces whilst we continue our nap.
 
Yeah it doesn't help the northern alliance troops spent the last decade raping everyone's young sons.

The taliban often come in and kill the rapist government soldiers much to everyone's relief
 
Plenty of Afghans coming across the channel in rubber dinghies and we’re wanting to send our troops back in !

20 years we have given the Afghan people the knowledge skills and building blocks to fight these animals but yet they choose to flee. If the Russians couldn’t beat the Mujahideen what chance did we really have ?

UK has it’s own problems, get our guys out and walk away - it’s a never ending merry go round .
 
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Think it's all over now, apparently the US and I would lump the rest of the west have told the Taliban to leave them untouched and there will be no action against them in the march into kabul now the last city....



Tefal said:
Yeah it doesn't help the northern alliance troops spent the last decade raping everyone's young sons.

The taliban often come in and kill the rapist government soldiers much to everyone's relief
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No they just rape and kill woman and kill anyone who they don't like.

I'm sure they are loving the Taliban....said no one other than die hard religious fruit loops
 
Well thats Jalalabad gone to the Taliban and apparently they've started attacking a town which is within 7 miles of Kabul.
I read an article earlier saying Kabul could fall within "the month" it sounds more like it could fall within the week.

The Afghan Army that we're trained and equipped over the last decade appears to just be fleeing; reports of large numbers crossing the bordered into Uzbekistan (with their kit).
I hope they're moving quickly to get people evacuated or we could easily see a repeat of previous situations like the Killing of the Ambassador in Benghazi a few years back
 
alchal said:
Think it's all over now, apparently the US and I would lump the rest of the west have told the Taliban to leave them untouched and there will be no action against them in the march into kabul now the last city....
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Indeed, don't see how the Afghan army can hope to turn things around without a major external intervention or some kind of miraculous diplomatic effort. The president talking about taking territory back sounds almost as deluded as the iraqi minister denying the Americans were anywhere near Baghdad when in fact they were just around the corner and shooting could be heard on camera.

Mazar-e-Sharif, last Northern city has been taken: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58213848

It can't be long before Kabul falls, particularly with all the internal refugees that will be straining limited resources in the area, leading to more discontent. In fact at this rate it seems like the US might have to bring forward their 31st of August deadline for all troops leaving unless they want to be the last ones standing in the middle of Taliban controlled Kabul!

It seems that the country has fallen apart even quicker than most 'experts' believed possible - one wonders whether this is due to a genuine lack of understanding on their part, feeling pressured into optimism by employers, or just a case of wishful thinking and not wanting to believe it could happen.

Despite my misgivings about being there in the first place I think Rory Stewart (and others talking along similar lines) had been talking a lot of sense (as usual, but then but then I am a bit of a Rory Stewart fan so might be biased) in outlining what's gone wrong, and why the US & UK should be ashamed of what's currently happening (mainly that air support made a big difference to the Afghan's ability to fight the Taliban, while actually being relatively low risk for pilots).
 
alchal said:
Think it's all over now, apparently the US and I would lump the rest of the west have told the Taliban to leave them untouched and there will be no action against them in the march into kabul now the last city....





No they just rape and kill woman and kill anyone who they don't like.

I'm sure they are loving the Taliban....said no one other than die hard religious fruit loops
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Well they're the same religious types so the rule set is the same.


Much like how most of us in the developed world have been aghast at our religious nut bag brethren in the Republic of Ireland and their insane religious laws. But to them its all very sensible
 
Longbow said:
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Power apparently cut in Kabul...
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Well, unless they've captured the pilots and mechanics to go with it, it's rather useless. :p
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Well kamikazie runs with them may be useful if they can get someone off the ground.

One captured pilot and a blowtorch should yield a rudimentary training school


Otherwise helicopter rocket pods have been hacked into ground launchers before

What planes are they? Or are they drones?


The straight wings seems odd
 
Helicopters and planes aside, I would imagine all the other items you find on a military airfield they have now aquired will come in handy for them... Essentially all the ANA did was equip the Taliban with the kit they never had.

I think it was inevitable though. The ANA seemed untrainable and were never going to gain stability. To sort out Afghanistan you must first sort out Pakistan or it will never stop. Like China with Vietnam, you are never going to win with another power giving supplies and safety across a border to your enemy where they are untouchable. I assume Pakistan are really behind the rapid gains seen now.
 
MrRamone said:
Helicopters and planes aside, I would imagine all the other items you find on a military airfield they have now aquired will come in handy for them... Essentially all the ANA did was equip the Taliban with the kit they never had.

I think it was inevitable though. The ANA seemed untrainable and were never going to gain stability. To sort out Afghanistan you must first sort out Pakistan or it will never stop. Like China with Vietnam, you are never going to win with another power giving supplies and safety across a border to your enemy where they are untouchable. I assume Pakistan are really behind the rapid gains seen now.
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In theory an airbase would have air defences - even if the enemy were the Taliban - and you can find the guides for operating them online though obviously it takes more than that to use them effectively. (EDIT: Looks like mostly Shilkas and man portable systems so likely nothing with the range to hit passenger jets, etc.).

The loss of those air assets is going to be a big blow to the Afghan government though as that is one of the few advantages they have against the Taliban albeit they still have US air support for now.
 
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Sadly it was always going to happen. I just feel sorry for the moderate Afghan citizens who dreamed of a better future for the country and its people. I hope those that are targets of the Taliban can get out of the country. What a waste of blood and treasure.
 
Longbow said:
Two AC-130 gunships on the way:

https://twitter.com/HaidaMx/status/1426663567147872259
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae6516

Apparently a B-52 flying in the gulf to target the captured airfields, but I haven't seen it show up, not that they usually do.
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I'm assuming the other RCH assets up are involved as well - I've never seen B-52s showing up when tasked on combat missions.

EDIT: Looks like a whole bunch of RAF stuff in support as well.

In other news apparently most of the aircraft at the airport captured above were ones that couldn't be removed due to being non-operational and/or some attempt was made to make them such but apparently there are videos of the Taliban flying a couple of the helis around.
 
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