Alder Lake-S leaks

Purgatory · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:21

beasty6 said:
I've ordered the board via the rainforest, says delivery on the 9th.

I'm starting to think the 5800x might be the better choice for me, as well as being able to drop the 3D chips in next year, but we shall see, it's only a gaming rig so not mega important, don't need it for work etc

I was just adding that to the post above, upgrade path is at least known with the AM4.. Who knows what Intel will do with z690 down the line.

thebandit · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:22

beasty6 said:
Just to add, my 10400f and b560 tomahawk would be going back to the rainforest as it's still within return period.

So getting the alder lake ddr4 setup would cost me £140.
Or 5800x and b550 for £90

Only annoying thing is EK don't have a LGA 1700 bracket available for my AIO yet

I would be going AM4 (only because that's the decision I already made for myself). Not sure ADL +DDR4 really makes that much sense and the power consumption figures from a few pages back are quite something.

Distracted · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:22

Grim5 said:
Their results are almost identical to Linus

Correlation does not imply causation.

In a world where independent reviews exist, and companies are willing to lie to show a product in the best light, I see no reason to ever consider a particular brand's press release or marketing as a review. No matter how they label it.

Dave2150 · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:24

Shaz12 said:
First review is out but unfortunately in Chinese but the charts are useful. It looks like DDR5 is hurting game performance and is slightly slower than DDR4.

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/429403347

The 6000Mhz and 7000Mhz+ kits will be available over the coming weeks/months, which will quickly reverse that situation.

I have a cheap 16GB kit of 4800Mhz Crucial on it's way to me, while I wait for a 32GB 7000Mhz+ kit

jigger · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:26

Joxeon said:
At 1440p with a 3070ti either would mostly be a sidegrade over a 10400F for just gaming.

I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800X with a 3080 @1440p and found no difference in the vast majority of games.

Strange, I seen a massive difference going from a 3700X to a 5900X.

mrk said:
Even though @Gibbo has confirmed in this thread that they have sold hundreds of stock as of the other day so I imagine even more as of today?!

Let’s be honest, outside hardcore Nvidia and Intel fans Alder lake sales could be pretty thin.

Purgatory · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:27

Dave2150 said:
The 6000Mhz and 7000Mhz+ kits will be available over the coming weeks/months, which will quickly reverse that situation.

I have a cheap 16GB kit of 4800Mhz Crucial on it's way to me, while I wait for a 32GB 7000Mhz+ kit

At what cost ? DDR5 is too expensive right now and your 6000 and 7000Mhz kits will be close to double the price what they are now for same amount of ram. Lets also get real about price and real performance increases, it's an unknown so far and may show zero benefit in real world and only show up on a few benchmarks.

uscool · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:28

Dave2150 said:
Producivity numbers are huge, really impressive. Sure it uses more power, though it'll complete whichever task it's running faster too, so this needs to be considered.

Example, Blender completing 16% faster on a 12900k vs 5950x, while also being cheaper to purchase.

Also assuming this is bog standard slow 4800Mhz or 5200Mhz memory Linus is using - the 6000Mhz, 7000Mhz RAM results should be further improvements.

Where did you get that from ? can you back it up with links or benchmarks please its misleading

SKILL · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:32

uscool said:
Where did Dave get 16% faster ? Any link to it ? Benchmark ?

The 16% was the blender benchmark but 12900K vs 5900X, not 5950X, it was also the biggest win for the 12900K in that comparison.

So either Dave2150 simply misread the graph or he's intentionally misrepresenting it, I mean either is feasible with him...

Purgatory · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:35

SKILL said:
The 16% was the blender benchmark but 12900K vs 5900X, not 5950X, it was also the standout win for the 12900K in that comparison.

So either Dave2150 simply misread the graph or he's intentionally misrepresenting it, I mean either is feasible with him...

Dave does state "Example, Blender completing 16% faster on a 12900k vs 5950x, while also being cheaper to purchase"

It's just spam really from an intel fanboy or hidden intel employee or intel shareholder. One to ignore for facts when intel products appear.

mickyflinn · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:36

Any gamimg benchmarks yet ?

uscool · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:38

understood, any road map of future upgrade path with LGA 1700 ? because AM4 has been amazing still has 3D V-Cache which I think might take the gaming crown back I have no intention to upgrade currently 5900x great to finally see competition will only benefit us consumers

LtMatt · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:39

Purgatory said:
Dave does state "Example, Blender completing 16% faster on a 12900k vs 5950x, while also being cheaper to purchase"

It's just spam really from an intel fanboy or hidden intel employee or intel shareholder. One to ignore for facts when intel products appear.

Don't make it personal. By all means dispute what he is saying in terms of the results (agree with you there) but the last part of your post is unnecessary and probably false.

jigger · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:41

Purgatory said:
At what cost ? DDR5 is too expensive right now and your 6000 and 7000Mhz kits will be close to double the price what they are now for same amount of ram. Lets also get real about price and real performance increases, it's an unknown so far and may show zero benefit in real world and only show up on a few benchmarks.

Is there enough CPU power in Alder lake to leverage the bandwidth of 7000mhz RAM? We know Intel Mesh interconnects scale really well with memory bandwidth, but not so much with a ring bus design.

Destination · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:45

Dave2150 said:
The 6000Mhz and 7000Mhz+ kits will be available over the coming weeks/months, which will quickly reverse that situation.

I have a cheap 16GB kit of 4800Mhz Crucial on it's way to me, while I wait for a 32GB 7000Mhz+ kit

Have you bought one of these then?

Purgatory · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:46

jigger said:
Is there enough CPU power in Alder lake to leverage the bandwidth of 7000mhz RAM? We know Intel Mesh interconnects scale really well with memory bandwidth, but not so much with a ring bus design.

No idea we need to wait and see, it was really same with AM4 and 4000mhz+ ram it didn't really make any real world difference and in some cases made things worse. This whole faster and faster ram thing is not always better performance and may show up on ram benchmarks, but not in games and applications in the real world.

There is always a sweet spot for ram and like with AM4 it's 3600mhz maybe one up, after that no difference and as said may make things worse.

Shaz12 · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:48

Dave2150 said:
The 6000Mhz and 7000Mhz+ kits will be available over the coming weeks/months, which will quickly reverse that situation.

I have a cheap 16GB kit of 4800Mhz Crucial on it's way to me, while I wait for a 32GB 7000Mhz+ kit

Unfortunately though, taking the obscene pricing on those kits and the £400 starting point for good boards, whatever value advantage the 12700k/600k had over Zen 3 is pretty much wiped out. It’s faster but not by much and I think Zen 3D will beat it in 2 months. AM4 is definitely the value for money option here. AMD don’t even need to drop prices.

I hope the reviews focus on the overall value at offer here and not just cpu pricing.

Dave2150 · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:48

mickyflinn said:
Any gamimg benchmarks yet ?

Only Linus Tech Tips leaked review so far, but does appear to confirm Intels statement of world's fastest gaming CPU

https://imgur.com/a/TeLztND

Dave2150 · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:49

Shaz12 said:
Unfortunately though, taking the obscene pricing on those kits and the £400 starting point for good boards, whatever value advantage the 12700k/600k had over Zen 3 is pretty much wiped out. It’s faster but not by much and I think Zen 3D will beat it in 2 months. AM4 is definitely the value for money option here. AMD don’t even need to drop prices.

The 12400 CPU appears to be the best budget option going forward, just need more official reviews of it to conclude. Can also go with far cheaper (and more futureproof) motherboards too.

thebandit · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:49

With RAM its always raw speed vs timings, eventually this reaches the point were one is at the expense of the other.

beasty6 · 4 Nov 2021 at 10:50

Purgatory said:
No idea we need to wait and see, it was really same with AM4 and 4000mhz+ ram it didn't really make any real world difference and in some cases made things worse. This whole faster and faster ram thing is not always better performance and may show up on ram benchmarks, but not in games and applications in the real world.

There is always a sweet spot for ram and like with AM4 it's 3600mhz maybe one up, after that no difference and as said may make things worse.

I currently have 2x8gb 3200mhz patriot viper 4, would this make a difference in the AM4 platform if I decide to go that way?