Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
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Yeah I'd be interested in seeing that too, I suspect @Dis86 is correct there, she was the main armourer on a prior film relatively recently and made some comments afterwards on a podcast that certainly don't indicate much experience in that role.
Agreed but why have you not had that same reasoning in other threads?
Nah let them all get their armchairs in a twist
Haha!
That depends how you class experience. As per the pod cast she did have 3+ years training by a veteran in the field and shadowed the veteran doing the role on other film sets along with the training. 100% she did not have extensive experience, 100% she is no veteran herself. But she could have had significant experience as 3 years training should be significant. Anyway time to wait for more news to come out. As I have said many times there is a lot of conflicting information in the media with a lot of it not accurate.
I suppose the only good out of all of this will be stricter controls when using firearms on set. I agree the onus is on the person firing the firearms to ensure there's no live ammunition loaded, but the controls really need to have a person accountable for the safety of all firearms. They should probably be the only person who stores the firearms when not in use, the person who loads the ammunition into the firearms, and be the person who hands the firearm to the actor/actress.
The issue that appears to have happened here is several people having some sort of interaction with the firearm and the ammunition, which makes it harder to hold someone accountable. It's a question then of whether this was sabotage/deliberate, or just sheer bad luck.
It also increases the amount of risk because it makes it inevitable that there will be some degree of casual assumption that someone else has done the necessary checks, especially when there's no clear definition of who is responsible for what.
If it was a total noob then probably not, but Alec probably has some experience with handling guns and he was also a producer for this movie.
American law is weird so who knows yet. It won't be murder but maybe some kind of negligence.
I think whoever was supposed to be overseeing safety on set will be the one who gets hammered though.
3 years training and then straight into the head role?
Seems unusual to me. Unless being an armourer is a lot more simple than I thought.
The producer title was most likely a vanity title for tax purposes. Whether it carries any legal weight is yet to be seen.
Head armourer can mean only the armourer.3 years training and then straight into the head role?
Seems unusual to me. Unless being an armourer is a lot more simple than I thought.
The producer title was most likely a vanity title for tax purposes. Whether it carries any legal weight is yet to be seen.
Also how long do you think you need for training, and whilst training she would probably have been trainee to assistant armourer (also in training effectively) in which case the normal progression is pretty much assistant to full/head,
What kind of armourer is needed for a $6-7m film that is to be filmed within 3 weeks anyway.
Someone with "3 years training" doesn't sound unreasonable and it sounds as if it's nothing more sophisticated (for the armoury department) than stereotypical cowboy action.
Someone with "3 years training" doesn't sound unreasonable and it sounds as if it's nothing more sophisticated (for the armoury department) than stereotypical cowboy action.
There are lots of weird twists to it legally - like one aspect will be reason to believe the weapon is unloaded - if Baldwin was aware of previous incidents on the set it might negate his defence on that aspect. And lots of things which are or can be very hard to prove one way or another like intent.
There are several people with a lot of money behind them involved so likely it will end up inconclusive or some small guy with less ability to defend themselves will take the fall.
Still waiting on the source for this 3 years training! 4 months is all we've got with relevant experience before the first head armourer job.
Don't disagree though that if she's the only she's going to be the head.