im totally confused by your logic, i shall repeat myself:
Keltik THC said:
edit: just coming back to this, so are you guys trying to tell me that Obama hasnt filled every position in his staff with Lobbyists? are you trying to tell me that he has removed all the troops from Iraq? are you trying to tell me that he has decreased the size of government? are you trying to tell me that hes revoked the illegal wire tapping? are you telling me he has rescinded a number of the PDs that gave Bush & Cheney (and now Obama & Biden) dictatorial like powers? or are you just denying reality for some personal reason?
I'm not saying any of that, and I'm not denying reality. Please don't put words into my mouth. And please familiarise yourself with Obama's campaign promises before you start talking about what he's kept and what he's broken. I've already posted a link to an online checklist, so you can look them up yourself. Can't say fairer than that.
In any case, none of what you're written here provides any evidence for the claim that Obama is somehow linked to an evil plot by the Bilderberg Group, so what's your point?
you dont seem to understand how a debate works, i have stated that i agree with the content put forth in the Obama Deception which is basically concerning all his complete 'U-turns' in policy (see quote above)
But you haven't demonstrated that Obama has actually made any u-turns in policy. Now, I've tried to help you by posting a source which lists all of his campaign promises, and that source even states that he has broken three of those promises (
see the link here). What you need to do is read that list, identify the promises which relate to the argument you're making, and show that those promises have not been kept. Until you do that, you don't actually have a case.
but you still refuse to actually call out any of these facts and continually resort to just generally saying 'prove it!', but you wont actually specify what you want me to prove
I've told you what I want you to prove. I want you to provide evidence for every single one of the claims made by Alex Jones in his little movie. That's all I'm asking for. I also want you to provide a list of campaign promises that Obama has broken (and please realise that
I agree he has broken some of them) and cross-reference them to that online "campaign promise" checklist, so we can both be sure that you're actually talking about legitimate campaign promises which were actually made.
i have experienced the short end of the stick from you, i know when you start getting owned in a debate you then resort to getting the mods to delete posts and ban members.
Er, no. You broke the rules by repeatedly insulting me, and I complained to one of the moderators, who subsequently acted on my complaint. I didn't ask anyone to delete your posts or ban you. That was the moderator's decision; not mine.
You are very strange my freind, denying reality to the 9th degree, why do you decieve yourself so much? i mean, to repeat myself for a third time you are seriously trying to tell me that Obama hasnt filled every position in his staff with Lobbyists? you trying to tell me that he has removed all the troops from Iraq? you trying to tell me that he has decreased the size of government? you trying to tell me that hes revoked the illegal wire tapping? are you telling me he has rescinded a number of the PDs that gave Bush & Cheney (and now Obama & Biden) dictatorial like powers? you are trying to tell me that he has stopped the practice of extra-ordinary rendition?
No, I am not saying any of that. Read my posts. I haven't even mentioned these issues.
i know for a fact that Obama has filled almost every single position in his staff with Lobbyists
Well, I don't know about "filled". I haven't seen any evidence of that. But I am certain that there's plenty of lobbyists in his staff (or at least people connected to lobbyists). Every government does this, unfortunately. It doesn't prove that they're part of an international conspiracy.
i know for a fact that Obama hasnt removed the troops from Iraq
That's correct; he has not. These things take time; you can't withdraw troops overnight, and Obama didn't say that he would. He committed to a phased withdrawal over time, which is precisely what he is doing.
i know for a fact that he has increased the size of Government (remind me how many robbery, i mean 'bail out' packages he has forced through?)
He hasn't "forced through" any bailout packages.
i know for a fact he hasnt revoked the illegal wiretapping, i know for a fact he hasnt rescinded a number of PDs that give him and Biden dictitorial powers, i know for a fact he hasnt stopped teh practise of rendition, how do i know all this? because Obama admits it, its on the news, its common knowledge if you follow American Politics, hell even people like Keith Olbermann the ultra-liberal fawner has questioned Obama's complete 180 on his campaign promises.
Can you document these facts for me, please? Can you list the campaign promises in which Obama said that he would do all of this stuff? Did he provide a timeframe for these actions?
What "dictatorial powers" are you referring to? Do you know what "dictatorial" means? And what campaign promises has Obama performed a "complete 180" on? I've given you a link to a comprehensive list, so it shouldn't be hard for you to specify them.
i guess it just goes over the top of your head, let me try to explain the evdience that Alex Jones uses in this documentary is the facts regarding Obamas policies, he promised 'change', he promised all the things i mentioned above before he was elected and he has done the complete opposite
He's been in power for less than three months; there's no way he can get everything done in that time. Do you not understand how government works?
He got more campaign contributions from the International Banking Elite than anybody, he was selected by the foundations at an early age and sheep dipped
Proof for all of this, please?
he then dupes the press to nip off to secret Bilderberg meetings
Er, no. He dodged the press to meet Hillary Clinton. There was subsequent
speculation that he had met with the Bilderberg Group, but nobody has provided any evidence that he actually did.
Alex then goes on to the next logical step that people who have an understanding of politics understand because in the world of politics you cant even imagine how much intrigue is involved, people have hidden alliances, people are bought and paid for, people have enemies and its all done behind the scenes if you look into any political regime behind the media facade you will find this
Or, to put it more accurately, Alex makes a huge illogical leap to a nonsensical conclusion based on nothing more than conjecture, fantasy and imagination.
im just trting to say that the world is not as simple as you try and make it out to be
I don't recall making any statements of that nature.
and Obama has proven that he is a corporate schill purely by his actions and the pure fact every time he opens his mouth he seems to either lie or do a complete 180 on his policies he stated when campaigning.
Well, the current checklist (to which I've provided a link) shows that he's only broken three election promises so far. Which is probably very disappointing for you, but at least it's a verifiable fact.
Ive said since day 1, if you hate G.W. then you are going to loathe Obama - for instance, i work with a Pakistani, when Obama was elected i told him to watch out for an increase in activity in his Country to which he said, 'you crazy conspiracy theorists - Obamas great' (im a conspiracy theorist because i research political matters) to which now he says 'how did you know?!? the US is basically in the north of our country killing people on a daily basis'
Your friend is obviously an idiot. During his campaign, Obama
openly stated that he would maintain the attacks on targets in Pakistan:
Biden, in an interview with CBS news, defended the strikes, saying that [n]Obama had repeatedly said on the campaign trail he would not hesitate to strike against any high-level al-Qaida targets.[/n] He suggested cooperation between the US and Pakistani counter-terrorist agencies would increase, with more US training for Pakistani counterparts.
Over the last year, there have been at least 30 US missile attacks on Pakistan's tribal area, which is used as a haven for insurgents fighting international troops in neighbouring Afghanistan.
Source.
Does your friend not watch the news, perhaps? Didn't he listen to Obama when he was campaigning?
Er, because you watch the news, just like I do? Because Obama announced his intentions to tens of millions of people while he was on the campaign trail? That's how I knew, and I suspect it's how most people knew. This was never a secret; it was stated publicly on a number of occasions.
because i know the agenda of the people behind Barak like Brzenski, because i have taken the time to read their memoirs and their books, the funny thing is they dont lie about their intentions they just know that you are too concerned about bread and circus to read it.
Oh, I thought it was because you actually listened to Obama when he told people that this was what he intended to do. I guess you chose the hard way, right?
thats it though, unless you finally come back with a specific point that you disagree with so that we can debate i shall continue to ignore you, but then again your posts serve one purpose to me... they continually remind me why the world as we know it is going down the pan at an increasing rate because majority of people are as delusional and niave as you and believe that the powers that be are benevolent people that every action they take is for the best possible interests of all free humanity and they are working to ensure the lives of everyone are to be as rich and prosperous as possible and for us all to be living life on a bed of roses, when in reality i believe that the international banking elite is working against the middle class and populations in general to consolodate the wealth of nations into as few hands as possible whilst consolidating their power positions and investments and generally buying up our countries through infrastructure which funnily enough is ensuring our chattel slave status for generations to come... of course thats never happend in history before has it?
OK, whatever.
Try not to watch so much Hollywood. You'll end up believing everything you see.
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