Alex Jones..

i-bert · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:30

wesimmo said:
Again, by definition, if the majority of world is moving to the left (your claim) then you're actually abnormal.

And that's why it is a very worrying situation.

i-bert · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:33

Thecaferacer said:
It could be argued the world isn't going left, it's going centre right (ignoring the Arab and African states) and it's a small minority trying to force far left ideology on a predominantly centrist population that's causing the rub.

I wouldn't call Google, twitter, YouTube and the BBC a small minority though.

chroniclard · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:34

Thecaferacer said:
It could be argued the world isn't going left, it's going centre right (ignoring the Arab and African states) and it's a small minority trying to force far left ideology on a predominantly centrist population that's causing the rub.

There is no "rub", its just a minority of salty righties whinging.

mmj_uk · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:51

If you want to understand the creeping internet censorship and people being fired from their actual jobs for saying something the mob don't like it's just China's Social Credit System being brought in through the back door by private corporations. The idea that corporate T&C's can take away the rights of citizens to socialise and do business online in any given country when they haven't broke any laws is terrifying, I don't understand how anyone can defend it.

Ultimately it's all about total control of everyone, do as those in power tell you and give up your freedom or face the (horrid) consequences of having your life ruined, either by the government as in China or in the case of the west corporations colluding with one another.

i-bert · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:55

I would say it's the University's fault for pumping out neo-marxists/feminists with no real life experience straight into social media job positions who then enforce their utopian agendas onto the people using it.

[FnG]magnolia · 13 Jun 2019 at 23:56

There are some utter nutjobs on this forum

Sankari · 14 Jun 2019 at 00:42

BowdonUK said:
That is the point a lot of people complain about. They have rules but nobody knows where the line is until suddenly YT starts removing videos.

...The only point I'm making is that YT come up with rules and then apply them retrospectively, via a bot that takes out more innocent videos than the ones its supposed to be targetting.

I agree that YT is going about this in a pretty hamfisted way. But they don't want to lose users, so they'll sort it out.

Roar87 said:
Youtube is effectively a monopoly when it comes to sharing videos online, they bought out all their rivals, paid content providers to move to their 'free open platform', then when the competition was dead they've taken on all the advertisers to rake in the profit and decided they're no longer a free open platform.

There are still plenty of alternatives to you YT (e.g. Vimeo) and last time I checked, YT is still free to use.

In any case, none of this addresses the original point.

tang0 · 14 Jun 2019 at 00:50

[FnG]magnolia said:
There are some utter nutjobs on this forum

You're in my top 3

Evangelion
RaymondLin
You
StriderX
Yas786
doodah

wesimmo · 14 Jun 2019 at 01:06

i-bert said:
And that's why it is a very worrying situation.

An old woman was watching the news one night and was horrified to see reports of someone driving the wrong way up the motorway.

She rang her husband, who was out at the time, and said..

"Darling, be careful there's an idiot out there driving the wrong way on the motorway."

"One? There's bloody hundreds of them."

Thecaferacer · 14 Jun 2019 at 01:55

i-bert said:
I wouldn't call Google, twitter, YouTube and the BBC a small minority though.

I wouldn't call a handful of execs and software programmers a majority in a population pushing a billion across Europe and the US.

chroniclard said:
There is no "rub", its just a minority of salty righties whinging.

Pretty powerful minority then to have caused Brexit, Trump and the tide of populism across Europe.

chroniclard · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:51

Thecaferacer said:
Pretty powerful minority then to have caused Brexit, Trump and the tide of populism across Europe.

Not sure Brexit and Trump are that relevant to Youtube.

StriderX · 14 Jun 2019 at 13:16

i-bert said:
I would say it's the University's fault for pumping out neo-marxists/feminists with no real life experience straight into social media job positions who then enforce their utopian agendas onto the people using it.

The same universities pumping out thousands of engineers and scientists? Nah it's all feminists all of them m8... honestly.

Have you even been to a uni?

Caracus2k · 14 Jun 2019 at 13:53

StriderX said:
The same universities pumping out thousands of engineers and scientists? Nah it's all feminists all of them m8... honestly.

Have you even been to a uni?

I went to uni and studied an engineering degree. I was also a reservist in the army at them time and spent the rest if my spare time walking with the associated uni club or messing about with computers and occasionally drinking down at the students union.

Strangely I am sure that if you did a study of students engaged in 'social justice' activities I think you would find a relative scarcity of engineering and science students and rather pronounced over represtation, proportionally, for thoose studying various humanities and a particular over representation in thoose studying under the umbrella often labelled 'grievance studies' by its critics.

StriderX · 14 Jun 2019 at 14:01

Caracus2k said:
I went to uni and studied an engineering degree. I was also a reservist in the army at them time and spent the rest if my spare time walking with the associated uni club or messing about with computers and occasionally drinking down at the students union.

Strangely I am sure that if you did a study of students engaged in 'social justice' activities I think you would find a relative scarcity of engineering and science students and rather pronounced over represtation, proportionally, for thoose studying various humanities and a particular over representation in thoose studying under the umbrella often labelled 'grievance studies' by its critics.

oops, thought it was bert... as even the humanities students dont all flock around the Union affairs, yes they're disproportionately involved and that makes it a rather stale atmosphere, but it's not some massive army you purport it to be. Most Unions have serious trouble getting 20-40k students interested, at most they'll get around 10% if incentives are laid down. (This may be different for newer universities with a heavy humanities focused course delivery)

It'd be a damn sight better for students to actually partake though as the decisions made by the biased student body end up being utterly pointless, even to the point of totally changing their mind afterwards (too late mind you), frustrating ***** honestly. Most of them do it just to get the free year off of responsibility though and an extra year at Uni.

Certain societies are also just loud and almost barren in membership (could just be a case of too many societies though and overlapping interests), i may be biased though as i don't know how it's like at post 1970s unis.

This is honestly just an American thing i feel, importing a grievance that isn't even relevant and making it out to be a massive horde of evil commies, is just unfunny.

i-bert · 14 Jun 2019 at 14:42

StriderX said:
The same universities pumping out thousands of engineers and scientists? Nah it's all feminists all of them m8... honestly.

Have you even been to a uni?

Yeah, I studied Industrial design at Cardiff.

How old are?

StriderX · 14 Jun 2019 at 14:59

Is Cardiff known for being particularly commie? To be quite honest as long the (wherever it may be) Union isn't totally abrasive and sells cheap booze, i'm not going to say no to it.

Certainly there has been no 'progressive' incidents around this here parts, i'm sure its much worse at somewhere like Manchester MET, Bristol or some such, still if there's no barrier to the bar, i dont think i care tbh.

Azza · 18 Jun 2019 at 08:12

Well things are picking up for him.

Roar87 · 18 Jun 2019 at 08:34

It's nice that The Independent report the facts even if their headline is misleading, unlike The Guardian.

The Guardian headline :

Alex Jones sent Sandy Hook victims files with child sexual abuse images, say lawyers

The actual story as reported by The Independent :

the law firm representing the families and the agent explained that they found child pornography in email metadata Jones had been required by a judge to turn over

The child pornography appears to have been sent to an InfoWars email address

So someone has sent child abuse images in the meta data of an email to InfoWars, which has then forwarded them on to the lawyers of the Sandy Hook victims as requested by a judge, and now it's being reported that Alex Jones has sent child abuse images to the Sandy Hook victims. What quality reporting by The Guardian.

Sankari · 18 Jun 2019 at 08:50

I'm disgusted, but not entirely surprised to learn that Jones has child porn on his server. Sending them to grieving parents is pretty low.

Roar87 · 18 Jun 2019 at 10:10

Evangelion said:
I'm disgusted, but not entirely surprised to learn that Jones has child porn on his server. Sending them to grieving parents is pretty low.

Literally nothing you've written here is factual. The server belongs to InfoWars which employs 20+ people, Alex Jones probably has nothing to do with the day to day emails they get sent, the email was forwarded to the victims lawyers because it was requested by a judge - not the actual victims. The email originally was one someone else forwarded to InfoWars and the abuse images was encoded in the metadata of the email. Don't let facts get in the way of your disgust though