Aliens Fireteam

ttaskmaster said:
It was an absolute train wreck. The original script based around Hicks, before the many rewrites, was far better. Instead we got a half-arsed film peppered with tacked-on 90s elements, that paved the way for all the progressively worse sequels.


To be fair, AVP was somewhat faithful to the graphic novel, but such things belong in experimental literature and not in canon-defining films.
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I thought 3 was enjoyable, the CGI of the alien is a bit cringe now but I enjoyed it.
There is an alternative alien 3 script on audiobooks where Ripley etc get picked up in space by waring factions.
Well worth a look.
 
alchal said:
I thought 3 was enjoyable, the CGI of the alien is a bit cringe now but I enjoyed it.
There is an alternative alien 3 script on audiobooks where Ripley etc get picked up in space by waring factions.
Well worth a look.
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Agree Alien3 gets a lot of unnecessary flack just because of what happened with the production, the assembly cut is better but overall it built tension and suspense and had some strong moments for Ripley, not to mention the ‘final’ sacrifice.
 
Problem with Alien 3, especially at the time, it wasn't what most people wanted from an Alien movie. In some ways it did a The Last Jedi on the series albeit without being the dumb as **** train wreck of a movie TLJ was.

It isn't a bad movie at all, though does suffer from the tacked on elements like ttaskmaster said, just not what a lot of people wanted.
 
Rroff said:
Problem with Alien 3, especially at the time, it wasn't what most people wanted from an Alien movie. In some ways it did a The Last Jedi on the series albeit without being the dumb as **** train wreck of a movie TLJ was.

It isn't a bad movie at all, though does suffer from the tacked on elements like ttaskmaster said, just not what a lot of people wanted.
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The director's cut is much better than the standard movie. They cut way too much out and took away from the movie a lot.
 
Rroff said:
It isn't a bad movie at all, though does suffer from the tacked on elements like ttaskmaster said, just not what a lot of people wanted.
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Some of the dialogue is quite ropey as well. Any film that has a bit of a situational explanation, and then the main character saying something like, "You mean to tell me that..." followed by a one-line summary of what they just explained to the audience... It's an immediate lose.

It's purely a trailer shot, just like the same character going, "OK guys, this is what we trained for....".
 
Alien 3 is my favourite of the entire franchise.


And that’s not trying to be edgy or out there. Also I am not condemning or attacking the others either. They are amazing films for a variety of reasons. The first 2 in particular are text book examples of Science Fiction Horror and Science Fiction Action that have really stood the test of time. Aliens in particular is a brilliant gung ho deconstruction of the Vietnam War and why it failed.


But Alien 3 for brought most to the franchise itself. Beyond ticket sales and popularity within Pop Culture it gave the most crystal clear definition of the Alien and its motives.


It showed us that the Alien, as Ash said right at the beginning "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.”


Alien 3 was utterly bleak from the get go. It annihilated the cautiously happy ending from Aliens and went one step further by wiping out Hicks and Newt once again leaving Ripley all alone. She lands on a planet where she is the only woman and again...re-enforcing the isolation she has felt since she first encountered the Alien. Then the Alien proceeds do what it does and remind us why it is a "Survivor".


I mean Clemens (played by the always wonderful Charles Dance) spills his life story to Ripley and we suddenly become aware that just like everyone else on the planet he too is an inmate. We want to sympathize with him because you feel that Ripley needs that human element to just keep going, and seconds later the Alien kills him. Doesn't care about his story. Just dead.


And ultimately it ends showing us that the Alien ALWAYS wins. To truly "beat" the Alien is to remove life for it to flourish in the first place.


The Alien takes everything from Ripley. Her Friends, Her Family, Her Daughter (both blood and surrogate ones) and in the end takes her life.


That too me is the most chilling thing about the Alien itself.


And that’s why Alien 3 is my favourite.
 
Tonytank said:
Alien 3 is my favourite of the entire franchise.


And that’s not trying to be edgy or out there. Also I am not condemning or attacking the others either. They are amazing films for a variety of reasons. The first 2 in particular are text book examples of Science Fiction Horror and Science Fiction Action that have really stood the test of time. Aliens in particular is a brilliant gung ho deconstruction of the Vietnam War and why it failed.


But Alien 3 for brought most to the franchise itself. Beyond ticket sales and popularity within Pop Culture it gave the most crystal clear definition of the Alien and its motives.


It showed us that the Alien, as Ash said right at the beginning "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.”


Alien 3 was utterly bleak from the get go. It annihilated the cautiously happy ending from Aliens and went one step further by wiping out Hicks and Newt once again leaving Ripley all alone. She lands on a planet where she is the only woman and again...re-enforcing the isolation she has felt since she first encountered the Alien. Then the Alien proceeds do what it does and remind us why it is a "Survivor".


I mean Clemens (played by the always wonderful Charles Dance) spills his life story to Ripley and we suddenly become aware that just like everyone else on the planet he too is an inmate. We want to sympathize with him because you feel that Ripley needs that human element to just keep going, and seconds later the Alien kills him. Doesn't care about his story. Just dead.


And ultimately it ends showing us that the Alien ALWAYS wins. To truly "beat" the Alien is to remove life for it to flourish in the first place.


The Alien takes everything from Ripley. Her Friends, Her Family, Her Daughter (both blood and surrogate ones) and in the end takes her life.


That too me is the most chilling thing about the Alien itself.


And that’s why Alien 3 is my favourite.
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It’s a rare opinion but I totally agree with you. I also think that Charles S Dutton was very good.

In terms of scenes, the loss of Hick&Newt and the funeral they held whilst the alien was bursting out of the dog/ox with Ripley suffering a nosebleed was very well done. The tunnel chasing scene with the prisoners was tense, violent and had a great pace to it. I enjoyed the bishop scene also, even he didn’t make it.
I found the music scores to be very good also.


It is a seriously underrated Alien movie.
 
Alien 3 is set on a planet - 4 is based around a ship for most of it - as an aside IIRC elements from Alien Resurrection were later developed on and used as a basis for Firefly.
 
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Rroff said:
Alien 3 is set on a planet - 4 is based around a ship for most of it - as an aide IIRC elements from Alien Resurrection were later developed on and used as a basis for Firefly.
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Yeah can see that. Once the group is together it’s essentially just an escape run.

I like that they went with 3 rather than 4. Overall I think it makes it more difficult even if the ratio of players to aliens is the same or similar.
 
The Aliens comics were quite a decent continuation of the story of Aliens, from what I recall as a boy.

Then when Alien 3 came along they had to replace the character of Hicks with "Wilks" and Newt with "Billie"
 
Offtopic kind of but I listened to that audio book version of what was supposed to be Alien 3 and I know the internet really loves to big up that script in particular but honestly it was just a generic action flick with Hicks pretty much being an action movie hero like John McClane became.
 
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