am i going to kill myself?
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being an R reg was it phase 1? i cant remember?
merlin said:
I quite enjoy how the back end slides out on command and with a little flick of the wheel and a bit of gas it pulls straight again. Granted it can catch you out if you haven't driven one before but when you get used to it you have a face like this
GT3 said:I quite enjoy how the back end slides out on command and with a little flick of the wheel and a bit of gas it pulls straight again. Granted it can catch you out if you haven't driven one before but when you get used to it you have a face like this
Yeah dude, try that on an off camber road and see where it gets you.
merlin said:You have to find the limits of your car to know where they are.
And when the difference between facing forwards and facing backwards is 0.1 of a mph.....
I think you are perhaps exaggerating a bit unless his rallye had ditchfinder tyres or something
Both my saxos I've had, I've had sat sideways round dodgy surfaced and cambered country lanes and had nothing but a laugh. And often my friend in his 106 GTI can't keep up with my Saxo VTR but then again he has stacked 2 Saxos from the famed lift-off oversteer
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s-man said:
Not true. Xantia VSX had a 150bhp 2.0 16v engine. Xantia Activa had a 150bhp 2.0 8v light pressure turbo engine, and is thus not comparable as it is forced induction.
But the Sport is 4wd. How does this help? Well, it gives it excellent grip off the line and helps it to post a 0-60 time which gives a false impression of its actual performance.
If we were to compare 30-70 times or 0-100 times for the above cars, you'd see my point. It'll hit 60 in a similar time becuase it's a fair margin ahead by 30mph due to the 4WD, and it'll reach 60 in 2nd gear. The Mondeo, for example, as well as the Xantia, will require a 2nd gear change into 3rd before you get 60, yet it still does in less time than the Sport and without the advantage of 4wd traction off the line..
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Go for it if you have the money, but insurence is going to kill you the least i was quoted was £5500 and all the reccomended performance insuurence companies wouldnt touch me.
Why did you pay £350 a month for an impreza sport? thats ridiculous
Why did you pay £350 a month for an impreza sport? thats ridiculous
IIRC, the Sport needs third. And how much advantage do you think 4wd gives at these power levels? Is your mondeo squirming all over the road with torque steer and burning through the tyres with FWD? Not exactly difficult to get a decent launch in a FWD at these power levels.
Now there's a man who knew what he was talking about, rated his sport over his turbo for handling in the wet, and famously caught and passed many cars on the Nurburgring, including a rather famous Ford..
And he owned both, not just read about them in a magazine
ScoobyDoo69 said:you guys really are doubters of how capable a sport is arent you?
i believe it was Johnfelstead who in his sport would be tormenting turbos around a track.
its not THAT slow a car.
Now there's a man who knew what he was talking about, rated his sport over his turbo for handling in the wet, and famously caught and passed many cars on the Nurburgring, including a rather famous Ford..
And he owned both, not just read about them in a magazine
[TW]Fox said:
Point taken regarding forced induction but the VSX didn't have the power you're quoting... at least not according to parkers it didn't. Aaaanyway..
[TW]Fox said:
You see this is where I feel your lack of familiarity with the car lets you down. Having owned 2 Imprezas one thing you appreciate very quickly is the difference 4wd makes when it's wet and you're driving on the typical British b road. It honestly is a supremely confidence inspiring car. No wheelspin out of wet junctions. Put it into a corner at the right speed, nail the throttle and grip and go. Much less evidence of aquaplaning through the steering and overall much less drama than most fwd or rwd cars. Thats where its strength lies imho
[TW]Fox said:
Ok, as already intimated, I am not claiming that the Sport is necessarily quicker, or even on a par with its 2 litre rivals in all straight-line increments. What I am asserting is that it is not significantly slower and therefore its performance does not warrant being singled out for special criticism. I daresay that if we chose the right stats you'd be proved right and they'd favour the 2wd cars but then again, as I say, in a real world A to B race on less than perfect roads and in typical British weather conditions the pendulum would swing back in favour of the Sport.
If you look at things objectively I'm sure you'll eventually agree that despite their being a marginal performance margins (fractions of a second) in favour of the Mondeo or Xantia (over some performance increments) there just isn't THAT much in it to call it a BAD performing car.
i can remember quite easily keeping up with 'sport' in a 115pd audi a4 a whole load of years ago.
in regard to getting off the line, if you need 4wd with ~110bhp then there must be something wrong.
ive driven a couple normal uk spec imprezas, i found them to be a touch boring. the engines were surprisingly revvy and the steering had good feel, but overall it felt like the experiance lacked involvement. i didnt push the cars that hard at all as they belonged to friends, but it seemed a bit sad that you could exit a tight roundabout in 1st and floor it without any drama at all. it just seemed too easy. the sorta car Mr Bean could get into and extract 80% of its performance instantly.
in regard to getting off the line, if you need 4wd with ~110bhp then there must be something wrong.
ive driven a couple normal uk spec imprezas, i found them to be a touch boring. the engines were surprisingly revvy and the steering had good feel, but overall it felt like the experiance lacked involvement. i didnt push the cars that hard at all as they belonged to friends, but it seemed a bit sad that you could exit a tight roundabout in 1st and floor it without any drama at all. it just seemed too easy. the sorta car Mr Bean could get into and extract 80% of its performance instantly.
s-man said:
I'm not particularly fussed what Parkers say, the Xantia VSX 93-97ish was powered by a 150bhp 2 litre 16v engine.
I'm not going to dispute that, I've said in the past that one thing thats good about the Impreza Sport is just this - when I said how does 4WD help I was reffering specifically to the 0-60 times you quoted. I don't disagree the Sport is fun to drive but that doesnt stop it having a woeful amount of power for a 2 litre engine.
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[TW]Fox said:
I shall agree here.. BUT BUT BUT, I think they're all much closer to 130bhp (the phase2s) but meh, that's just my opinion, and like I've said on numerous occasions, i have been able to quite happily beat my brothers 130bhp Mini FWD, standard start, rolling start, in gear, higher speeds etc.
and they're quoted a 9.1?? standard 0-62 i believe.
Maybe one day i will buy one of these g-tech pro thingys and give it a go, how much do they go for again? and yes 3rd is needed, which is annoying, i wish they revved just 500rpm more, and i'd get 65, and be quicker !
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well according to my RR printouts peak power is on the limiter...
#Chri5# said:Just before the lift-off oversteer hurls you through a hedge backwards
What are this "lift-off" thing you mention?
But seriously, if you get lift-off oversteer then you aren't lifting off at the right time. And the scoob at least generally lets go in a relatively controlled manner (subject to tyres/road etc...)
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