am i going to kill myself?

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 08:47

If it's of any help - I used to have a Sport at a time where my brother had a 106 Rallye. 0-30 I'd toast him, 30 - 70 he'd catch me up and get ahead, 70 onwards I'd real him back in, slowly, then 3 figures the Rally would be totally out of breath.

IIRC the Rallye puts out around 100bhp (ish??), quite light too.

So in a straight line the Sport isn't that bad....

Round the country lanes he'd have no chance whatsoever.

I loved my sport, you could throw it round like a rag doll. It was really good fun.

It also took a extraordinary amount of abuse too, being a company car.

GT3 · 19 Jun 2006 at 09:25

merlin said:
70 onwards I'd real him back in, slowly, then 3 figures the Rally would be totally out of breath.

You'd kind of expect that of a 1.3 with a close ratio box though

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 09:32

GT3 said:
You'd kind of expect that of a 1.3 with a close ratio box though

My point though is that, whilst it's not exactly fire breathing, - it is capable of movement.

No-one would slate the 106 as being pathetically slow & the there's not much between the two really.

#Chri5# · 19 Jun 2006 at 09:45

Meridian said:
Actually you buy one for a combination of speed and cornering ability - not for nothing is the war cry of ScoobyNet: "I would have had him in the twisties!"

M

Just before the lift-off oversteer hurls you through a hedge backwards

s-man · 19 Jun 2006 at 14:07

[TW]Fox said:
1996 Mondeo 2.0 16v LX: 136bhp
1996 Vauxhall Vectra 2.0 16v LS: 130bhp
1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0i VSX: 150bhp
1996 Peugeot 406 2.0 LX: 135bhp
QUOTE]

Ahem...if I might borrow your own list and add to it after a quick check on Parkers?

Incidentally, not wishing to nit-pick since these things are far from an exact science but, (according to Parkers), the Xantia VSX has around 123bhp - The Activa was the then flagship version with 150bhp.

Anyway..

1996 Mondeo 2.0 16v LX: 136bhp / 0-60 circa 9.5sec / 128mph
1996 Vauxhall Vectra 2.0 16v LS: 130bhp / 0-60 9.5sec / 131 mph
1996 Citroen Xantia 2.0i VSX: 150bhp (lets take the 2.0i 16v instead): 0-60 9.5sec / 135mph
1996 Peugeot 406 2.0 LX: 135bhp - 0-60 9.7sec / 126mph

1996 Impreza Sport: 114bhp/123bhp / 0-60 9.7 or 9.1 / 119mph or 131mph (Parkers isn't the clearest on the power output changes by model year but I'm not too fussed which we use.)

So, to re-iterate: I freely admit that, in terms of power output the Impreza 2.0 is in the lower half of the league table when set against its contemporaries. On the road however, in terms of real world performance, it is in no way eclipsed by any of the vehicles cited and I will therefore stand by my claim that it is not an inherently slow car. My own personal performance benchmark has always been that a car can be classed as 'not slow' if it has a sub 10 second 0-60 time...which the Sport does.

cymatty · 19 Jun 2006 at 15:51

merlin said:
Round the country lanes he'd have no chance whatsoever.

Im sorry i dont believe that for one second.

ScoobyDoo69 · 19 Jun 2006 at 15:55

you guys really are doubters of how capable a sport is arent you?
i believe it was Johnfelstead who in his sport would be tormenting turbos around a track.
its not THAT slow a car. :rolleyes:

cymatty · 19 Jun 2006 at 15:57

ScoobyDoo69 said:
you guys really are doubters of how capable a sport is arent you?

No i do believe it will handle well, i just cant see a 106 rallye, one the best hot hatch chasis, having "no chance" round the twisties.

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 15:58

cymatty said:
Im sorry i dont believe that for one second.

Not bothered whether you do or don't. Just relaying my experience.

cymatty · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:04

merlin said:
Not bothered whether you do or don't. Just relaying my experience.

Was yours the 150bhp one?

ScoobyDoo69 · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:06

the 150bhp one was Japan only (or 165 for american 2.5

)

merlin's was a company car, so i doubt it was an import

GT3 · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:07

Any Impreza Sport owners going to trax this year?

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:07

cymatty said:
Was yours the 150bhp one?

No, you can't get that one over here - UK sport 1st shape is 115 bhp, and the GX sport is 120 ish but carries more lard.

The Rallye is a sublime handling car - but handling wasn't the issue - grip was.

cymatty · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:08

ScoobyDoo69 said:
the 150bhp one was Japan only (or 165 for american 2.5 )

merlin's was a company car, so i doubt it was an import

Sorry i meant was it an 05> sport with 157bhp.

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:09

I had both the Sport and the GX - the Sport was a hoot, the GX was very cumbersome.

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:10

cymatty said:
Sorry i meant was it an 05> sport with 157bhp.

No, the Sport was an R reg and the GX I had was the first year they brought that shape out so Y reg I think.

ScoobyDoo69 · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:12

thats because of how heavy it was with the same engine.

I've test driven the new 05 one the 2.0R, great car, but wasnt as fun, better handling, just didnt feel as chuckable. I'd have the engine though

Infact its so cheap to put a 2.5 ~165bhp in. can get them for 2-300 quid, fit it yourself, and then have it mapped

FUN

cymatty · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:12

merlin said:
No, the Sport was an R reg and the GX I had was the first year they brought that shape out so Y reg I think.

Ah ok, i wasn't being funny when i said i didn't believe you.

I just thought as they both had good handling (the scoob with better grip), and the 106 being quiicker from 30-80 eg twisty speeds, that what it lost in the corners it may catch up in the straights. I just thought it had no chance was a big ott.

EddScott · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:16

Going back to the OP.

Personally, you've really got to want a car more than life itself to be happy paying over £4K in insurance.

Following Will Gills thread, I would gladly take a Type R over a P1 but not at more than double the insurance premium.

If I had to pay that sort of money for insurance it would have to be a little more exotic than an Impreza Turbo. Most I've paid was £1400 on my GTIR and I only did that becuase I sold my 205GTI for £1200 that year.

Now theres a point - theres a 205GTI MI16 on SNet for sale. Personally I'd see what that was to insure. 160HP in something that weighs naff-all and you'll be baiting Turbos, CTRs etc.

merlin · 19 Jun 2006 at 16:17

cymatty said:
Ah ok, i was being funny when i said i didn't believe you.

You was or wasn't?

I did 25,000 miles a year in that old Sport - I knew how to drive it & did drive it like a loonatic. Maybe that had something to do with it.

This was at a time after my brother had already put the Rallye into a hedge with Lift off. Once you experience the famed Rallye lift off oversteer it makes you nervous just getting out of bed in the morning.