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Indeed, the idea of a BFPA isn't grown out of a desire to have a social club, it's there to fight what is a very profound problem.
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Indeed, the idea of a BFPA isn't grown out of a desire to have a social club, it's there to fight what is a very profound problem.
i am 100% with you on that - martin luther kings dream was that his children 'will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character' - and yet there are groups that feel the need to segregate themselves and define themselves by the colour of their skin.
i personally find the mobo's offensive - it is music, it has nothing to do with the colour of anybodies skin, get over it.
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Nobody should feel uncomfortable with the Black Footballers Association, it's a support group. You should get over it or help them so they don't need it anymore. I'm not just on about Britain helping either, i'm looking at places like Italy, Spain, Central and Eastern Europe where it all happens.
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That's quite a good way of thinking about it.
Support group for what? If it's racism then what they are doing is actually fuelling the problem by encouraging a victim complex and also promoting segregation. They should be working with white people not creating a group to fight against them.
Why can't it be a "footballers against racism association" which also allows white people to join?
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If you replace racism for rape, alcoholism or any other issue, you'll realise how silly that stance actually is.
If you understood how different racism is to rape and alcoholism, you'd realise how silly your stance actually is.
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On an abstract level of the principle support groups and raising awareness of specific issues, how is it different fundamentally?
Anyone can be a victim of racism, black or white. Why do black people specifically need a support group that only allows black people in?
Should we create a black persons support group for alcoholism?
Should we create a black persons support group for rape?
I'm not suggesting that we let the actual racists into the support group, nor am I suggesting that we let rapists into rape support groups, or pub landlords into alcoholic support groups (unless they are an alcoholic too I suppose? That disproves your stance even further actually).
I am suggesting that there shouldn't be segregation and that anyone that needs support, or wants to provide support, black or white, should be able to join.
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I'm interested by this comment. Can you elaborate?
not in the way the likes of Rio Ferdinand envisage it, he has shown himself to have very dodgy tendencies in regards to race issues
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Can you explain for people who have little interest in football?
absolutely correct, I was recently called a white **** by someone but then again I just laughed at the pathetic nature of it and moved on, others may not feel the same but racism works all ways so it really should be an anti racism group and not a black group
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A very easy difference is that alcohol is a personal matter, nobody inflicts alcoholism on you. It is generally a mental or psychological problem or addiction that can be treated.
Rape is different in many many ways. Rape victims are mostly female, it is a sexual crime, it is not something that happens in the public eye... I could continue but it's pointless. If you don't know the difference that says a lot more about you than it does about me I'm afraid.
for example Rio (the main proponent of this group) recently referred to another black player as a "choc ice" for supporting a white player in a racism trial, the meaning being that a black person should not be standing up for a white person
how does this sort of attitude help at all ?
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No, I agree that is totally counter productive.
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What equality liberals don't seem to get is that among whites there has also been plenty of discrimination based on religion and ethnicity, for example, plenty of hate directed towards Catholics and the Irish.
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Thing is with Rio is I'd bet he's had as much racism in his life from black people as he has from white people on account that he is mixed race.
My friend who is mixed race says he's been abused before by darker skinned black people on account that he's not a 'proper' black person. Yet that form of racism is seldom talked about or mention and it does exist.
I know this will be controversial but I feel Rio is a little ashamed by his mixed race status and secretly wishes he was 'fully black' (for lack of a better phrase) which is why he is the self-appointed leader of the outraged club.
My friend who is mixed race says he's been abused before by darker skinned black people on account that he's not a 'proper' black person. Yet that form of racism is seldom talked about or mention and it does exist.
I know this will be controversial but I feel Rio is a little ashamed by his mixed race status and secretly wishes he was 'fully black' (for lack of a better phrase) which is why he is the self-appointed leader of the outraged club.
The whole idea of the group is to get rid of racism. But by only allowing black people in the group is encouraging segregating themselves and thereby encouraging racism. It seems that the leaders of the group are not the best patrons for it.
An offensive comment is only as offensive as the person who is the victim makes it. If black people choose to get offended when they are called monkey's or ***** then that is their decision. We can't tell them not to be offended by it. A white person may not be offended if a black person called them whitey or whatever they may choose, that doesn't mean black people should be because white people aren't.
An offensive comment is only as offensive as the person who is the victim makes it. If black people choose to get offended when they are called monkey's or ***** then that is their decision. We can't tell them not to be offended by it. A white person may not be offended if a black person called them whitey or whatever they may choose, that doesn't mean black people should be because white people aren't.