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AM4 gets yet more CPU's

As you know if you have a full retail key that key belongs to your account, not the first system its activated on, that's an OEM key, that's what you buy from CDKeys for £15 or whatever it is, as long as your not running it on many systems at once you can use that key for as many different systems as you like.
 
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humbug said:
As you know if you have a full retail key that key belongs to your account, not the first system its activated on, that's an OEM key, that's what you buy from CDKeys for £15 or whatever it is, as long as your not running it on many systems at once you can use that key for as many different systems as you like.
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That's what I have. Cheap keys. They tie to the motherboard but also my MSN account. I've had it since 1999.

It's a TPM issue. IE, the drive is basically encrypted and your pin and etc are what unlocks it. Hence why I can enable "Find my PC" and etc like a phone. Well, providing some dummy was daft enough to turn it on and try booting it after stealing it.

Sadly that security comes at a cost. One pain in the backside when you change your phone number lol. I didn't need a new key. The key reenabled as soon as I reinstalled. What I did not get access to was my boot install, and all of the stuff it holds (like passwords and etc). TBH I keep sod all on that drive so there was barely anything to reinstall any way. Just Steam, point to drive, couple of drivers and that was it.

I did have one game of PUBG last night. And sure enough, it absolutely flies. I had a feeling it was the CPU and RAM holding back the 6900XT Toxic and I wasn't wrong. Sadly by that time I was frazzled, so went to bed shortly after.
 
Got mine and its in, i set PBO and it locked the CPU to base clock so yer 100% a locked down CPU.

so at stock with a -20 offset it look to be good so fair, i need to do more testing in bench marks it up as to be expected over the 6c i tested before selling.
the real test for me will be playing squads and the game runs like crap on most CPU's, this is a game optimized CPU so... i hope for good things

@ 1080p with a 3600 / 3070 i average 80FPS

Fire strike
Graphics Score 35 617 - Physics Score 19 293 - Combined Score 9 647
Graphics Score 35 894 - Physics Score 25 993 - Combined Score 14 294

Fire strike extrema
Graphics Score 17 337 - Physics Score 19 417 - Combined Score 8 454
Graphics Score 17 339 - Physics Score 26 839 - Combined Score 8 693

Time spy
Graphics Score 14 434 - CPU Score 7 068
Graphics Score 14 456 - CPU Score 10 330
 
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If i get an RX 7800XT should i be be joining you..... ?

I have a Ryzen 5800X, i'm glad i did despite having paid £440 for it at the time, the alternative was the even more expensive 10900K which every reviewer bar one had it tied or slightly ahead of the 5800X, that left the door open to people saying the 10900K was probably better in the long run because Intel vs AMD in gaming.

The truth was every reviewer had the GPU bottlenecking the CPU, bar one, that one was Anand Tech, probably the last reviewer willing to dig deeper than the surface, they took the GPU bottleneck out of the equation, benchmarking at resolutions of 720P, even as low as 360P if necessary to take the GPU out of the equation, because if what you want to know is how fast the CPU is in games making the GPU the limiting factor is completely useless, you learn nothing at all.
Anand had the 5800X beating the 10900K convincingly in gaming, i got what i needed to know, thanks to Anand.

I bring that up because Anand was ridiculed for using low resolutions to get to the data they thought people wanted to know, because for the first time in a long time CPU's had gotten powerful enough to feed the fastest GPU's at the time at 1080P, knowing that is useful for making decisions for the long term, for when mid range GPU's become faster than the fastest at the time.
So don't let anyone, especially any tech jurno tell you you don't need to know more than the information they are willing to give you, and i have seen some of the say you only need to know what is relevant on the day.

So...

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Zen 2 was a good all round CPU, but it was not the best gaming CPU, tho i think the 3700X has aged a bit better than the 8700K (not on this chart) it was up against at the time. definitely worth dropping a 5800X3D in that socket.

As for my 5800X, it still holds up quite well, i think, its not worth changing the platform for a DDR5 one and with the 7800XT being a 3090 sort of GPU it still look's viable according to this chart.

It'll be 4 years and counting that the 5800X has served me well, i think i will keep it for a bit longer :) Thank you Anand.
 
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Yeah I wouldn't do that. The 5700x3d will be slower in everything but games that like the cache.

My 3950x was only clocking to around 4ghz on more than one core. So for me it was a no brainer. If you can get a lower priced 5800X3d then yeah, would be a way to prolong it. Otherwise go full platform and 7800x3d.
 
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Yeah I wouldn't do that. The 5700x3d will be slower in everything but games that like the cache.

My 3950x was only clocking to around 4ghz on more than one core. So for me it was a no brainer. If you can get a lower priced 5800X3d then yeah, would be a way to prolong it. Otherwise go full platform and 7800x3d.
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what he said... the 7600 costs less and dose out perform the 5800x3d so....
your 5800x is not fare enough behind to warrant spending £250 on a new chip


i am however very happy to see in squads I've moved from about 80fps ish to over 150fps. that was for my worth ever penny
 
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It would have to be an 8 core minimum. 8 Real cores that is. I'm not bothered about anything productivity, anything i do like that is not time sensitive, but i do want the threads for game future proofing.

It'll be Zen 5 at the earliest that i'll be upgrading.
 
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What sort of crazy person would run a 3090ti for 1080p resolution gaming... I really don't get it?
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Most comparative games are at 1080. And when you’re pushing for 240fps you need both CPU and GPU power.

Very high frame rate at 1080 is not easy. My son as a 240hz monitor and get nowhere near that cap.
 
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Looks like you can now get a 5900X for ~£250, I know the 57/58 X3Ds are better for gaming but sometimes it's not a huge difference and for other stuff the 5900X would blow them out of the water. Another option
 
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Looks like you can now get a 5900X for ~£250, I know the 57/58 X3Ds are better for gaming but sometimes it's not a huge difference and for other stuff the 5900X would blow them out of the water. Another option
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Love mine. The 5900X is still a decent chip in the scheme of things.
 
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I read an article on it a while ago. Either 3600 CL16 or 3200 CL14 or lower is optimal.
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Not the greatest source, but read a Youtube comment of someone claiming to have tested the 5700X3D with something like 2400 MHz RAM vs 4000 MHz, and the difference was 5% in overall performance.

Takes me back to the days I was weighing up splashing out on the 5800X3D vs a budget 5700X option to tide me over (was on a Ryzen 2700). The 5800X3D chip managing much better with slower RAM was definitely something I took in to consideration, but in the end settled for the 5700X considering the enormous gulf in price difference at the time and the massive upgrade I was getting anyway from a 2700.

Another factor was I heard the 5800X3D runs hot, and I only have a 140mm single fan AIO watercooler.

My head is definitely turned now by the 5700X3D. Currently checking out reviews.

I'm surprised the big youtubers haven't done work on temperature comparisons with the 5800X3D. They note 'the only difference' between the 5700X3D and the 5800X3D on the AMD spec page is in clock frequency, while ignoring that for the 5800X3D the recommended cooling is a high quality watercooler or some such, whereas the 5700X3D recommended cooling info is absent IIRC from their screen grabs. Both chips are allegedly 105W TDP, vs just 65W for the 5700X though.
 
i have seen that speed means nothing and it all about timings, but the 2nd and 3rd not the up top ones.
i did recently get sent to a buildzoid video that said the same, and TBF my cheap ass kit did get a good kick from dripping some.

it was very easy and i have done a ruff drop on my sons kit. i just dropped all the 2nd timing by about 15%, it just booted no voltage bump nothing
 
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i have seen that speed means nothing and it all about timings, but the 2nd and 3rd not the up top ones.
i did recently get sent to a buildzoid video that said the same, and TBF my cheap ass kit did get a good kick from dripping some.

it was very easy and i have done a ruff drop on my sons kit. i just dropped all the 2nd timing by about 15%, it just booted no voltage bump nothing
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Found the comment, guy said:

"I dont have to waste my time in bios screen any more, just put cpu in and you get 99% of performance, i also tested 2400mhz ram vs b die 3800mhz cl14 and difference was less than 5% on x3d chip."

Recall there were some big Youtubers / reviewers who tested this kind of thing on the 5800X3D way back, so I'm inclined to think this is more accurate than not.

I have 3000 MHz CL15 RAM and don't have much of an appetite for overclocking. Got me thinking the 5700X3D could be for me.
 
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