Amanda Knoxx retrial

ah forgot about this thread... was going to bump this a few months back when an academic at UCL who's a bit of an expert on DNA (and is impartial/not involved in the trial) reviewed some of the evidence...

and now the boyfriend is stating that the flawed alibi (which was already dubious due to the mobile phone evidence placing Knox away from his house) was just another lie...

it really really doesn't look good at all for Knox, I'm rather surprised at the amount of support she's had
 
He's in the hands of the Italians, she isn't. And is never likely to be. His best hope of getting out is to dump her in it, so he will say whatever will get him released. You can be sure a deal has been mentioned. Basic Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
Amp34 said:
Yes is the basic answer to that. The whole system over there is "interesting' to say the least.
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but deals etc.. would apply to someone who wants a reduced sentence... not a deal to stitch up a co-defendant and not actually incriminate yourself in the process... still plead not-guilty etc.. which he currently is doing... what possible deal could he have worked out with them? He is still to have a trial, he's still going to plead not guilty... where does the 'deal' come in?
 
Well for starters there could be a deal whereby he testifies against her and then changes his plead to Guilty and is let off.

It wouldn't make sense to change your plea until she was in custody again. He's basically screwed either way so either he gets a much lighter sentence or the Authorities would be willing to let him off if they could get her (possibly because there is more evidence putting her there for example).
 
Amp34 said:
Well for starters there could be a deal whereby he testifies against her and then changes his plead to Guilty and is let off.

It wouldn't make sense to change your plea until she was in custody again. He's basically screwed either way so either he gets a much lighter sentence or the Authorities would be willing to let him off if they could get her (possibly because there is more evidence putting her there for example).
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sorry this is just nonsense really - do you have anything to indicate he's made a deal? She won't be in custody until they've completed the trial anyway... if at all and there is no indication he's going to plead guilty to anything - quite the opposite in fact... If you're making a deal its because you're pleading guilty... if he's made a deal then he'd be doing that and not protesting that he's innocent.
 
He could have dumped her in it at any time and didn't. Now they are out, he's stuck in Italy, he tried to leave Italy to get away from it all so now tries to peddle a story that she did it without him... largely because it's what the prosecution wants to hear.

It's been political more than moral for a VERY long time. When they were rightly released Italy went on a saving face campaign. They have the killer, he's confessed to doing it and there is precisely no evidence against her. What has he got to lose, they want the big bad american to be guilty because they currently look like completely incompetent idiots. They'll find her guilty, America will never grant extradition, he's on the hook and he can't leave the country so at this stage he really should say and do anything to get out of it. A sensible retrial where actual expert forensic witnesses were used made a mockery of the evidence and police work because... it deserved to be mocked. They want her guilty and he's likely to get caught up in the police department/prosecution trying to save face, that is how politics often works.

Feel sorry for the guy, he's getting royally screwed. Things like evidence, lack of any motive at all(though they tried every single one under the book), the guy who unquestionably did it telling people he did it himself and all evidence pointing to a single killer.....

If I was him I'd tell them she slipped something into my weed so I was unconscious and she could have left on her own and he wouldn't have known. He needs to create doubt so they might let him off and find her guilty.
 
Lets not forget this is the country that allows someone like Berlusconi to run the country and also the country that put seismologists in prison after an earthquake.

They don't care about the truth.
 
dowie said:
but deals etc.. would apply to someone who wants a reduced sentence... not a deal to stitch up a co-defendant and not actually incriminate yourself in the process... still plead not-guilty etc.. which he currently is doing... what possible deal could he have worked out with them?
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The clue was in "Prisoner's Dilemma". Read the rules of that again. As others have said, the court is after Knox, not him. He will have been told (or more probably, hinted at) that if he blamed everything on her but admits the crime, then the courts will show leniency (couple of years inside maybe) and say that he was seduced by her into committing the crime. The Italians get everything: they get to blame Knox, but without the inconvenience of her actually being there to defend herself. If he continued to protest his innocence and is found guilty he will get thirty years. What would you do?
 
Meridian said:
The clue was in "Prisoner's Dilemma". Read the rules of that again. As others have said, the court is after Knox, not him. He will have been told (or more probably, hinted at) that if he blamed everything on her but admits the crime, then the courts will show leniency (couple of years inside maybe) and say that he was seduced by her into committing the crime. The Italians get everything: they get to blame Knox, but without the inconvenience of her actually being there to defend herself. If he continued to protest his innocence and is found guilty he will get thirty years. What would you do?
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You're missing the point again, he's not admitting the crime... This isn't the prisoners dilemma at all... he's still protesting his innocence, he's simply changed part if his version of events which previously was inconsistent with the evidence. There isn't any indication that the Italians are out to get Knox any more than they're after him... The idea that a deal has been made is pure fantasy/ conspiracy theory at the moment.
 
dowie said:
sorry this is just nonsense really - do you have anything to indicate he's made a deal? She won't be in custody until they've completed the trial anyway... if at all and there is no indication he's going to plead guilty to anything - quite the opposite in fact... If you're making a deal its because you're pleading guilty... if he's made a deal then he'd be doing that and not protesting that he's innocent.
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No I don't... It's a hypothetical scenario based on your question about whether the Italians could make a deal...

The Italians could quite easily make a deal with him and have with others. At the moment knoxx is in another country with no chance of the italians getting to her, meaning there is no point in him indicting himself before they have a chance to prosecute her (again)...
 
You're missing the point again, they won't get her (if at all) until after the trial/verdict... If she is found guilty then they can request extradition. Your reasoning doesn't work... if a deal has been done he can plead guilty now... the fact is he doesn't appear to be doing that. I really doubt he ever will plead guilty... we'll find out soon enough anyway.
 
So a fourth go and she's been aquitted again. I don't believe she'd have had a case to answer, based on the evidence, in the UK but then again Italy is the country that let Berlusconi get away with, figurative, murder and put seismologists in prison.
 
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