I'm flattered by your concern but it's responses such as these which are part and parcel of posting on OcUK. You will think I'm the deluded one, and I will think you're the deluded one. It's a stalemate, but there you go.
Amazing sotry of near-death experience
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I'm flattered by your concern but it's responses such as these which are part and parcel of posting on OcUK. You will think I'm the deluded one, and I will think you're the deluded one. It's a stalemate, but there you go.
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Lysander, do you have the power to kill a Yak from 200 yards away?
Edit: With mind bullets.
Edit: With mind bullets.
I really wish I did!
You were, maybe you just didn't realise it, here's one of the ways it could have happened; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect
I should be more specific in saying that no force at all is exerted.
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So like a ouija board? Weak.
What sort of effect are you talking about? It doesn't sound like a psychic effect but more of a random effect.
What sort of effect are you talking about? It doesn't sound like a psychic effect but more of a random effect.
He asks his Mum to do it.
Don't you mean that in divination a supernatural force moves it for you? For example, with a ouija board your objective is not to will the piece to move but to let it move by itself by clearing your thoughts and having absolutely no intention toward it at all.
And I hate to play the pedant or argue semantics, but you did clearly say: -
Which I take as the definition of telekinesis, not divination at all.
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Guys, what Lysander is saying is not BS, not BS at all.
I've seen it with my own eyes, it is possible. (and yes, i know how it sounds)
IMO I don't think people realise quite how powerful the human mind is.
You may think we are nutters but i pretty much guarantee if you saw this with your own eyes you would change your view point very quickly, much like the ghost argument over in DMPooles thread.
I've seen it with my own eyes, it is possible. (and yes, i know how it sounds)
IMO I don't think people realise quite how powerful the human mind is.
You may think we are nutters but i pretty much guarantee if you saw this with your own eyes you would change your view point very quickly, much like the ghost argument over in DMPooles thread.
I've seen plenty of people do unbelievable things, the honest ones call themselves magicians or illusionists, the dishonest ones call themselves psychic. Something else you should consider is that just because you see something happening, doesn't mean it's happening for the reasons you are told.
Wasn't there a similar discussion about this a few weeks ago, along the lines of "What does it feel like to die?" Now although I'm not particularly religious I do like to think there is something waiting for whatever it is that gives us sentience, beyond the reality of life as we know it. However that does not mean I buy into all the floating above your body/heavenly voices stuff. Surely by definition, if someone has revived from a NDE they have not experienced death per se. The heart may stop which is likely to kick off some pretty weird sensations in the brain. However in order to be revived the brain must still be functional, therefore call it the soul, conscious awareness of being whatever you like has not completely ceased to function. Therefore it is most likely these sensations are a result of intense chemical/emotional triggers in the brain.
That may well be what it *feels like* to die, but it is not death itself - a point which was touched on in the other thread. Can only repeat what I reported on that other thread - after my mother had a heart attack from which she recovered but her heart actually stopped, her only recollection of it was akin to an old black and white TV switching off. A blackness with a receding white dot. Just before my father died last year he was complaining of intense sleepiness, would fall asleep unable to help himself and awake some time later with no recollection of anything (similar to an anaesthetic).
Ultimately there is only one way to experience what happens at "death", that is to die and *not* come back to relate the tale...
That may well be what it *feels like* to die, but it is not death itself - a point which was touched on in the other thread. Can only repeat what I reported on that other thread - after my mother had a heart attack from which she recovered but her heart actually stopped, her only recollection of it was akin to an old black and white TV switching off. A blackness with a receding white dot. Just before my father died last year he was complaining of intense sleepiness, would fall asleep unable to help himself and awake some time later with no recollection of anything (similar to an anaesthetic).
Ultimately there is only one way to experience what happens at "death", that is to die and *not* come back to relate the tale...
Thanks for the support Chris, good to know that someone else here understands. Unfortunately for every person who upholds this sort of thing there will be ten on OcUK who say it's rubbish! I don't know how much more I can add to this topic since it's already gone way off track, though I do think the story [or sotry] in the OP is fascinating.
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A video of your powah.
A crude example, but the world was once believed to be flat, that we were the center of a very small universe, that the only stars that exist are the ones we can see with the human eye, this all based on how humans understood the world at the time. I'm sure if back then, if they were told about the vastness of the universe, dark matter etc. they would claim you were crazy.
So yes, pointing back at your quote, you're right, just because you see something happening, doesn't mean it's happening for the reasons you are told, but this also applies to today.
Who knows what we'll come to understand in hundreds of years that we believed to be impossible by todays understanding.
I;'d like to believe in an afterlife for the sake of my friends and famiily who have died but I can't help think it's a bit greedy; why is one life, one existance not enough?
If we die and get eaten by worms so what, we've had an opportunityy to live and breathe like any other living creature so why expect more?
If we die and get eaten by worms so what, we've had an opportunityy to live and breathe like any other living creature so why expect more?
I don't think it's about expecting more, more to do with a greater sense of purpose. Some people take the view that we're only here because we've evolved, we live and we die and that's it. Others believe in the soul and reincarnation and that the soul travels from body to body.
The Ancient Greeks believed that there was no afterlife, therefore the point of living was purely to lead a worthwhile life and the only way to attain immortality was to make a name for yourself. Conversely the Romans and Egyptians believed heavily in an afterlife and an Underworld, whereas the advaita Hindus believe that the soul travels though each incarnation until it reaches the ultimate goal of being one with the Creator. It's all down to your own belief system.