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AMD accused of "Golden Sample" on 290X given to reviewers, retail bought cards throttling

Uncle Petey said:
Greg, you know I love you and all that, but haven't you done your own fair share of pro Nvidia trolling and baiting? :)

I know you're just kidding around though and the same goes for Matt's quote that you just posted.
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I don't know, maybe I need a cigarette or something. I seem to be on edge today and ready to jump on peeps. Pay no heed but in my defence, we shouldn't throw stones in glass houses sums it up :D
 
LtMatt said:
My point here is though, AMD won't respond (in my opinion) to the 780TI as they never produce a big gpu to compete. Instead favouring a dual gpu card on a single pcb.
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The 7990 was made to take the crown from the 690. AMD didn't know the 780ti existed when they made it.
IMO you are fighting to get people to see that no matter what Nvidia release AMD will always have a card to better it.

The fact is you can't compare a dual GPU card against a single GPU card. Yes they are on 1 pcb but is is a crossfire setup and with that comes the problems dual GPUs suffer from. Even if this is very few problems, I am a fan of SLI and crossfire, you still can't compare them because there will always be games that don't support dual GPU.
 
no_1_dave said:
The 7990 was made to take the crown from the 690. AMD didn't know the 780ti existed when they made it.
IMO you are fighting to get people to see that no matter what Nvidia release AMD will always have a card to better it.

The fact is you can't compare a dual GPU card against a single GPU card. Yes they are on 1 pcb but is is a crossfire setup and with that comes the problems dual GPUs suffer from. Even if this is very few problems, I am a fan of SLI and crossfire, you still can't compare them because there will always be games that don't support dual GPU.
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I doubt even NVidia knew the 780ti was to exist back then, they probably thought Titan would be as high end as they would go at that point.
 
Scores vary on all gpus due to vastly different system specs. Differences that aren't listed. Ram type, ram speed, drivers, chipset drivers, board, BIOS version.

My stock score wasn't particularly great either till I overclocked it. It is just a benchmark after all, it's game performance that counts.

Just look at the CPUs in that stock comparison ripped from the firestrike thread. There are all sorts.
 
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tribz said:
I'm not wanting to get involved or cause further squabbling but I posted this over in the R290x owners thread as my card doesn't perform as well as others in there at stock speed. I'd really like to get to the bottom of it as my card doesn't work as well as others at stock, even when under water.
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have you increased the power limit?
 
I have to say I'm surprised that it's news that companies send 'golden samples' out to reviewers. Does nobody ever find it odd that reviewers always seem to get CPUs that will hit 5-5.1GHz on the motherboards they test and then when we buy them half of us are doing well to hit 4.5GHz?
Consider how many chips and GPUs these reviewers get and consider what percentage of them clock to what are generally considered 'good' OC levels. Now consider you own history and what percentage of your purchases get classed in the same level of OCing?

I don't doubt AMD do it, I don't doubt Intel do it and I don't doubt Nvidia do it. How good would Intel's Haswell release have been if half the reviewers got 4670Ks like mine that needed 1.26v to hit 4GHz?

I'm assuming if these samples that Tom got were faulty that means that we can return any 290/290X cards that also don't perform very well under RMA? (and save ourselves the cost of DSRing them)

I also have a question for LtMatt (why is it always you!?)...
In you line up of:
290 Vs 770
290X Vs 780
7990 Vs Titan/780Ti

Where's the 690?
I realise that was 'last gen' but the fact the 7990 is named as it is would suggest it's not part of the R9 line up either.

So surely we have:
7990 vs. 690
290X vs. 780Ti
290 vs. Titan
280X vs. 780
270X vs. 770

Although I believe that still does give AMD the overall single card performance crown. 780Ti vs. 290X could be interesting from a performance point of view, but not a price/performance point of view. In fact that can be applied to every other comparison there I think.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I also have a question for LtMatt (why is it always you!?)...

In you line up of:
290 Vs 770
290X Vs 780
7990 Vs Titan/780Ti

Where's the 690?
I realise that was 'last gen' but the fact the 7990 is named as it is would suggest it's not part of the R9 line up either.

So surely we have:
7990 vs. 690
290X vs. 780Ti
290 vs. Titan
280X vs. 780
270X vs. 770
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When the 7990 was released AMD targeted it against the titan. Rightly or wrongly they did. Plenty of interviews conducted by amd via google where they address that. AMD have a long history of doing this. As i said before to Greg the last big single die chip amd had was the 2900XT. It was a failure mainly due to the fact it had horrible performance. Since then they targeted the ultra enthusiast segment with a dual gpu solution. This was always their fastest card by a long way. 3780x2, 4780x2, 5970, 6990 and now the 7990. The 7990 was not released to compete with a 690. The 7990 was AMD's response to the titan. It just so happens the 7990 is faster than the 690. Hardly surprising when you compare a 7970 to a 680. Coming back to the 290/X its surprising its able even to get close, yet alone beat a titan/780 using a much smaller die. This is how AMD see it and price it accordingly. The 690 is EOL so i doubt AMD target it with any specific card but if it had to be one it would obviously be the 7990.

7990 vs Titan/780TI
290X vs 780ghz/780
290 vs 770/780
280x vs 770
270x vs 760

“They’re coming in Q4. I can’t reveal a pricepoint but we’re looking at more traditional enthusiast GPU pricepoints. We’re not targeting a $999 single GPU solution like our competition because we believe not a lot of people have that $999. We normally address what we call the ultra-enthusiast segment with a dual-GPU offering like the 7990. So this next-generation line is targeting more of the enthusiast market versus the ultra-enthusiast one.
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Source AMD
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...eon-cards-next-gen-consoles-7990-criticism/2/
 
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Gregster said:
So a Guy/Gal wants the fastest card he can get and from advice here, he gets the 7990 (It is the fastest according to some). His shiny new card turns up and off and he plugs it in/installs drivers/fires up a game... But "what's this?" he shouts at the screen. "I was getting 55 fps with my 7970 and now I am getting 53 fps, surely something is wrong???" It turns out that said card doesn't work in CF with Windowed mode... This is why they should always be compared on an even playing field, because of scenarios like this.



I am 43 years old and been around computers since the Spectrum 48K (my speccy is better than your C64) and know all about it but I do get quite animated with fanboys who scream of trolling and baiting when they do no better themselves. I have no probs with anyone who loves their tech and defending their favored vendor, what bugs me is ripping into others who do the same and bending the rules to suit their argument..... seriously is wrong and completely unfair.

This whole thread is highlighting a potential issue, of which I would rather know (I had the same with the Titan throttling in Valley) but the defence/attacks are a joke.
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I get what you are trying to say but the point I'm making is a duel card can give better performance.. tho not always. This comes under cons. Not everyone wants to play in window mode you know.
 
The biggest surprise here isn't the Nvidia vs AMD fanboy playground hair pulling, its that people still take anything tomshardware say seriously, never mind actually read it.
 
LtMatt said:
When the 7990 was released AMD targeted it against the titan. Rightly or wrongly they did. Plenty of interviews conducted by amd via google where they address that. AMD have a long history of doing this. As i said before to Greg the last big single die chip amd had was the 2900XT. It was a failure mainly due to the fact it had horrible performance. Since then they targeted the ultra enthusiast segment with a dual gpu solution. This was always their fastest card by a long way. 3780x2, 4780x2, 5970, 6990 and now the 7990. The 7990 was not released to compete with a 690. The 7990 was AMD's response to the titan. It just so happens the 7990 is faster than the 690. Hardly surprising when you compare a 7970 to a 680. Coming back to the 290/X its surprising its able even to get close, yet alone beat a titan/780 using a much smaller die. This is how AMD see it and price it accordingly. The 690 is EOL so i doubt AMD target it with any specific card but if it had to be one it would obviously be the 7990.

7990 vs Titan/780TI
290X vs 780ghz/780
290 vs 770/780
280x vs 770
270x vs 760



Source AMD
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...eon-cards-next-gen-consoles-7990-criticism/2/
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That's fair enough. Of course how AMD see it and how the customers see it might not be the same.
I'm sure AMD thought Bulldozer was a fantastic chip too. And Piledriver, especially when they launched those chips at higher prices than some SB-E chips. I'm not sure consumers agreed with the price, but I guess that's how AMD saw it.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
That's fair enough. Of course how AMD see it and how the customers see it might not be the same.
I'm sure AMD thought Bulldozer was a fantastic chip too. And Piledriver, especially when they launched those chips at higher prices than some SB-E chips. I'm not sure consumers agreed with the price, but I guess that's how AMD saw it.
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Indeed.

I know how i see it though, a 7990 is half the price of a titan and beats it comfortably.

As usual though, different strokes for different folks.
 
tommybhoy said:
The thread had one intention and it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned.

There was no outcry when it was picked up on Kepler ages ago.

It's getting tiresome as well when opinions differ to individuals that the forum is labelled as Amd fanboy bias.
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oh come on tommy

the kepler boost / throttling was jumped all over on this forum at the time

and the same people leveling insults at me purely for posting a link, with the exact same thread title as it was presented to me, are the same people who positively jump with glee when they get to post links about nvidia

the hypocrisy is pretty funny
 
andybird123 said:
oh come on tommy

the kepler boost / throttling was jumped all over on this forum at the time

and the same people leveling insults at me purely for posting a link, with the exact same thread title as it was presented to me, are the same people who positively jump with glee when they get to post links about nvidia

the hypocrisy is pretty funny
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Posting a link and adding 'enjoy ;D' is not purely posting a link. It's baiting.
 
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