AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Gashman · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:15

djkav said:
So this basically means that if I buy a BD then 6 months after it will be superseeded by a better BD refresh?

nah, cause that will probably be delayed as well so no worries. :rolleyes:

Clav · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:20

djkav said:
So this basically means that if I buy a BD then 6 months after it will be superseeded by a better BD refresh?

Doesn't that apply to everything hardware related?

PhoenixUK · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:50

Just wanted to comment on the Dawn of War debate, it's not like you'll need anything more than 35-40FPS EVER in an _RTS_ game, It's not an FPS lol. As long as your sreen rolls over fluently you're not loosing anything.

And first random vid here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu4k3WzihDw

Thats 2.2ghz c2d and radeon 4850 playing it maxed out, 1440x900 still but common, we're talking here about first gen c2d at 2.2ghz playing it perfectly smooth ;-)

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Martini1991 · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:53

Core 2 Duo is about the same clock for clock against PII, however it has SSSE3 support, unlike PII.

jrwagh333 · 21 Jul 2011 at 14:42

Martini1991 said:
Core 2 Duo is about the same clock for clock against PII, however it has SSSE3 support, unlike PII.

What is SSSE3? And how does it benefit anything?

Trunks9486 · 21 Jul 2011 at 14:49

Martini1991 said:
Core 2 Duo is about the same clock for clock against PII, however it has SSSE3 support, unlike PII.

I was under the impression that it was closer to Wolfdale rather than Conroe.

Its Nehalem and Sandy bridge which widened the gap...

PhoenixUK · 21 Jul 2011 at 14:53

Martini1991 said:
Core 2 Duo is about the same clock for clock against PII, however it has SSSE3 support, unlike PII.

Not really, also, whole k10 family has SSE3, SSE4 as well, not that it matters much either but yeh.

Martini1991 · 21 Jul 2011 at 14:58

PhoenixUK said:
Not really, also, whole k10 family has SSE3, SSE4 as well, not that it matters much either but yeh.

SSE3, not SSSE3.
Of course it matters.
And they have SSE4A, not the same >.<.

Trunks9486 said:
I was under the impression that it was closer to Wolfdale rather than Conroe.

Its Nehalem and Sandy bridge which widened the gap...

It is indeed closer to Wolfdale, but Wolf dale is still Core 2 Duo.

Trunks9486 · 21 Jul 2011 at 19:25

Martini1991 said:
SSE3, not SSSE3.
Of course it matters.
And they have SSE4A, not the same >.<.

It is indeed closer to Wolfdale, but Wolf dale is still Core 2 Duo.

Are those fragmented standards useful though? I was under the impression that whenever the standards were fragmented adoption generally suffered as a result.

As for the wolfdale comment yes, silly me forgot about that.

Mollari · 21 Jul 2011 at 19:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRYvfhk7xcs&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

19th september?

EGuitarStar · 21 Jul 2011 at 19:55

Mollari said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRYvfhk7xcs&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

19th september?

Hmmm, interesting, September 19th is a Monday as well... Oh well best to forget and keep on waiting whilst saving a bit of ca$h.

Zaim · 21 Jul 2011 at 20:17

Well I gave up waiting for BD, Got a i5 2500K instead. It will be interesting if a 4core BD performs better than a 2500k, i hope not

Zarf · 21 Jul 2011 at 20:32

Zaim said:
Well I gave up waiting for BD, Got a i5 2500K instead. It will be interesting if a 4core BD performs better than a 2500k, i hope not

It most probably won't. 4 core BD is priced to compete with the Dual Core i3. It's the 6 core BDs that'll be going up against the i5's, whilst the 8 cores go up against i7.

Faruko · 21 Jul 2011 at 20:37

Zarf said:
It most probably won't. 4 core BD is priced to compete with the Dual Core i3. It's the 6 core BDs that'll be going up against the i5's, whilst the 8 cores go up against i7.

Will we need 6-core CPU anytime soon on games ?

AssaTM · 21 Jul 2011 at 21:12

Well it's Battlefield i'm most interested about, as it's supposed to be truelly multi threaded/support for more cores, which would give the edge to the higher cored Bulldozer variants possible, which would be a cap in AMD's feather, if it proves to have a noticable benefit at least

Zarf · 21 Jul 2011 at 23:09

Faruko said:
Will we need 6-core CPU anytime soon on games ?

Well, next generation of Xbox is out 2012/2013, that's looking very likely to be powered by an AMD APU based on a 6 or 8 core Bulldozer. With most games going multiplatform This should raise the ceiling somewhat on how much CPU power game developers take advantage of.

Dr. Pain · 21 Jul 2011 at 23:15

Zarf said:
It most probably won't. 4 core BD is priced to compete with the Dual Core i3. It's the 6 core BDs that'll be going up against the i5's, whilst the 8 cores go up against i7.

Oh dear, so it needs TWICE the cores to compete with the Intels?

Sigh... incoming fail detected.

Its a shame really.. If only the enterprise Opterons were a little cheaper.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Jul 2011 at 23:19

Dr. Pain said:
Oh dear, so it needs TWICE the cores to compete with the Intels?

Sigh... incoming fail detected.

Its a shame really.. If only the enterprise Opterons were a little cheaper.

Incoming lack of understanding of the architecture incoming.

Dr. Pain · 21 Jul 2011 at 23:28

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Incoming lack of understanding of the architecture incoming.

Why would that matter too much?

If it needs TWICE the cores, then surely by definition each core is half as fast as the intels.

Whats so wonderful about that? Unless the clock speeds are ramped through the roof, but I understood that that was halted years ago, and a more mature approach was taken with the Nehalem architecture heralding a new era?

Tute · 21 Jul 2011 at 23:28

I believe the 4-core BD actually has TWO physical cores, it just appears as four to the OS and is marketed as such. It's really a sort-of hyperthreading, but nothing like it. Hard to explain, you're better off having a read up yourself.