AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:20

pmc25 said:
Though the in-game benchmark has since changed since then (i.e. performance figures are lower now than when i had my 965), that is exactly what it did.

I'd also doubt the veracity of your statement, and mention of it as an illustration of 'better' SB performance / lack of need for more cores, for the reasons I just outlined.

Edit: Just saw your post where you state that your Thuban at nearly 4.4Ghz couldn't run DOW2 at 60FPS at 1920x1080 . Either you had the worst optimised system in the history of mankind, or some serious hardware / driver issues.

Edit 2: Just did a benchmark to prove my point. For anyone not in the know, the benchmark in the game really is extreme, so if you're getting average 60FPS here, it's very unlikely to ever dip below that in game. Before you say anything, 'Rain' being disabled is for streaming the game as the encoder doesn't like it (and there's no rain / weather in the benchmark), reflections are off because they look ugly (and they're not CPU dependent at all), Physics is off because it tends to result in ragdoll bugs which are distracting (and it makes almost no impact on performance at all ... maybe 1-2FPS tops, average. CPU is 3.9Ghz for this.

Run it maxed out, nothing less.

Mollari said:
Never had Phenom - had Intel at the time- but theres nothing I cannot play with present X6 1090T/gtx580- combo at 1080p resolution. Gets the job done very well, no complaints here. And my guess is theres quite a few Phenom II´s around the world.

Has it been bad selling CPU?

I've probably bought over twenty Phenom II's since it's launch, as I've built a lot of rigs using it.

pmc25 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:23

- ignore

pmc25 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:27

Martini1991 said:
Run it maxed out, nothing less.

Again, you've not to bothered read what I wrote / selectively ignored it. Weather there is none of in the benchmark. Reflections are entirely GPU bound. Physics makes 1-2FPS difference - tops (i.e. within the bounds of randomness).

Your performance is hugely anomalous. Mine is absolutely in line with expectations.

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:35

pmc25 said:
Again, you've not to bothered read what I wrote / selectively ignored it. Weather there is none of in the benchmark. Reflections are entirely GPU bound. Physics makes 1-2FPS difference - tops (i.e. within the bounds of randomness).

Your performance is hugely anomalous. Mine is absolutely in line with expectations.

I did read what you said, you didn't run it maxed out though

zoomee · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:42

Martini - thought you were running your CPU @ 3.8/3.9 with turbo of ~4.1

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:46

zoomee said:
Martini - thought you were running your CPU @ 3.8/3.9 with turbo of ~4.1

That was David84's old chip.
My cherry picked 1055T 95W was 4.375GHZ, that's now owned by Combat Squirrel.

pmc25 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:50

Martini1991 said:
I did read what you said, you didn't run it maxed out though

I've run the benchmark probably in excess of 100 times, with a myriad of settings. I'm guessing you haven't.

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:51

pmc25 said:
I've run the benchmark probably in excess of 100 times, with a myriad of settings. I'm guessing you haven't.

I ran it many times.
Perhaps it was an anomaly with me.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 19 Jul 2011 at 21:56

The Phenom II X4 does have 50% more L3 cache per core when compared to a Phenom II X6. The later Phenom II X4 processors also seem to overclock a decent amount too.

Muel · 20 Jul 2011 at 09:39

I has a 965BE at stock (temps too high so I took the overclock off), would I see any framerate increase going up to a Thuban/Bulldozer chip? I saw impressive increases overclocking the CPU-NB (6-7fps in DiRT 2), but it would only go to 2800mhz, and I believe an 1100T will usual go to around 3200mhz?

I'll be waiting until BD comes out anyway, just in case Gigabyte decide to update my BIOS to let it run in my board.

SeeKified · 20 Jul 2011 at 09:40

Muel said:
I has a 965BE at stock (temps too high so I took the overclock off), would I see any framerate increase going up to a Thuban/Bulldozer chip? I saw impressive increases overclocking the CPU-NB (6-7fps in DiRT 2), but it would only go to 2800mhz, and I believe an 1100T will usual go to around 3200mhz?

I'll be waiting until BD comes out anyway, just in case Gigabyte decide to update my BIOS to let it run in my board.

Thuban? No. Bulldozer? Probably, but we have no idea.

Martini1991 · 20 Jul 2011 at 09:53

Muel said:
I has a 965BE at stock (temps too high so I took the overclock off), would I see any framerate increase going up to a Thuban/Bulldozer chip? I saw impressive increases overclocking the CPU-NB (6-7fps in DiRT 2), but it would only go to 2800mhz, and I believe an 1100T will usual go to around 3200mhz?

I'll be waiting until BD comes out anyway, just in case Gigabyte decide to update my BIOS to let it run in my board.

Only chip I've seen stable at that sort of CPU NB was my own cherry picked 1055T 95W. Most will do 3GHZ comfortably.

opethdisciple · 20 Jul 2011 at 15:22

More BD cpu's expected in early 2012.

AssaTM · 20 Jul 2011 at 17:04

I'm not sure if this has been answered but it's hard to find the exact answer so i'm sorry if it has been, but does anyone know how much support for Bulldozer the AM3 motherboards that have a BIOS update to be AM3+ compatible have? will the CPU's function 100% but maybe you'll just lose a couple of small features or does anyone have any idea yet? thank you to whoever can help

Phatzy · 20 Jul 2011 at 17:08

AM3 probably not, AM3+ most like yes through bios update.

Martini1991 · 20 Jul 2011 at 17:08

AssaTM said:
I'm not sure if this has been answered but it's hard to find the exact answer so i'm sorry if it has been, but does anyone know how much support for Bulldozer the AM3 motherboards that have a BIOS update to be AM3+ compatible have? will the CPU's function 100% but maybe you'll just lose a couple of small features or does anyone have any idea yet? thank you to whoever can help

You'll lose power saving options.

Phatzy said:
AM3 probably not, AM3+ most like yes through bios update.

Some AM3 boards are getting an AM3+ BIOS for AM3+ CPU support.

MichaelM · 20 Jul 2011 at 23:30

What power features?

The core won't downclock from the rated frequencies?
Turbo will work just fine though?

pmc25 · 21 Jul 2011 at 04:26

I think Turbo and down-clocking are likely to work fine. What may not is advanced clock-gating, meaning it consumes more power than it otherwise would.

Mollari · 21 Jul 2011 at 09:02

"The initial family of AMD desktop chips based on Bulldozer micro-architecture due in September will include models FX-8150, FX-8100, FX-6100 and FX-4100.."

"AMD itself believes that its multi-core Zambezi FX CPUs will allow it to compete head-to-head with Intel's high-end Core i-series "Sandy Bridge" processors.."

"It should be noted that the refreshed AMD FX "Zambezi" lineup will compete against Intel's Sandy Bridge E as well as Ivy Bridge microprocessors .."

Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...up_of_Microprocessors_in_Q1_2012_Sources.html

Ok maybe I am a little curious to see some bechmarks when bulldozers arrive.. in september?

djkav · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:13

So this basically means that if I buy a BD then 6 months after it will be superseeded by a better BD refresh?