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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

mmj_uk said:
Just been reading all of his posts some pretty juicy stuff, it's not looking good for AMD if he's telling the truth though. I was looking forward to Bulldozer but the way he's talking it'll not be anything revolutionary because all of the talented guys left.







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Its a load of bull. I have read those posts by "Cliff Maier" before.

He is supposedly an "EX" employee of AMD slagging off his old employer:

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-news/720174-macrumors-ex-amd-chip-designer-says.html

Very credible.

Does he even have a clue of what the current AMD processors are like?? If you read the statements attributed to him it is because he gets the info from his drinking buddies high up at AMD. Right!

Despite his doom an gloom predictions, how does he explain the increase in marketshare AMD has had because of their APUs this year?? This is during a recession too.

Even on the HardOCP forum they are mentioning the chap who linked to the post trolls a lot.

Looking at the actual posts which were linked to you need to ask yourself a few questions:
1.)Did the people who were mentioned actually work for AMD??
2.)If they did - what part of the company were they working for.
3.)Did they actual mention what was said or is someone making up stuff and just assigning it to them
3.)Are they still working for AMD??
4.)You have no clue whether the statements are true or not.

The fact of the matter is NDAs cover most of these things and it would not surprise me if it was some good old astroturfing.
 
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Just read trinity will use yet another new socket which won't be compatible with FM1.

That's rather disappointing, not being able to buy a llano laptop now and plug in a trinity apu next year. Could have been such a big selling point.

I can see why the 9 series motherboards are EOL but you would think a new socket like the FM1 would last a bit longer than a year before being replaced by FMX.
 
shannowdr said:
Just read trinity will use yet another new socket which won't be compatible with FM1.

That's rather disappointing, not being able to buy a llano laptop now and plug in a trinity apu next year. Could have been such a big selling point.

I can see why the 9 series motherboards are EOL but you would think a new socket like the FM1 would last a bit longer than a year before being replaced by FMX.
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I think its because amd want to get all their consumer cpu's onto one socket.
 
Meh, I always think it might be nice to keep the same mobo, but 90% of the times I've upgraded a cpu theres been a significant reason to get a new mobo anyway.

ddr1 to eventually ddr2, then ddr3, those were really delayed upgrades for me as neither were critical, sata 2 was useful for early ssd's, sata 3 was a huge increase for a Crucial ssd and coincided with going from an am2+ ddr2 setup to am3 ddr3.

Bulldozer might be the first time in years I might keep the same mobo.

But FM2 in a couple years I have no problem with, pci-e 3 is pointless right now, we've got a new gen in a month or two, another new gen a year later, pci-e 3 might start to make a difference then, especially for xfire/sli setups so I see no real reason not to have a socket change at that point.
 
Oem for me as well already got me wc'ing don't need a corsair type thing so should save me a few pennys :) although if they want to be really innovative they could include a top end waterblock with them :D.
 
Bulldozer is looking up! What kind of performance increases are we talking about here compared to the current phenom II chips? I've been holding out for so long and I'm still persistent!
 
paulc25 said:
Didn't AMD claim bulldozer was 50% quicker than phenom 2's?
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There is no way that there will be 50% increase in IPC (clock for clock performance).

There will be good gains supposingly for multi threaded scenarios. At best they might be able to reach Nehalem's clock for clock (although i doubt it).

On the upside, clocks seem to be on the high side.
 
Its not good news if they have to include watercooling solutions for the high end models - it means the will run too hot for standard air cooling.

In effect overclocking won't be good on them then either :( :( :(
 
gareth170 said:
also not everybody likes/trusts watercooling...

i'm wondering if it leaks and damages some hardware would amd cover that??
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Closed-loop solutions like the H-series don't leak unless you make them. :p

Doesn't mean I like the idea though - it would just seem strange to include a watercooling setup.
 
Think weight and size of packaging, also think extra costs in terms of having to buy in third-party cooling - it just doesn't make sense giving away watercooling with a cpu - its always been a niche aftermarket thing, unless theres a reason...... or the article is just poo of course lol
 
They could be talking about high end/enthusiast Trinity?

8 cores + 800 shaders @ 32nm could see air coolers struggling cope with the potential heat?
 
These closed loop WC solutions are not much better than the high end air coolers anyway, if better at all that is.

Why not just include BETTER Air coolers?

Surely using a WC bundled cooling solution limits your target users in that not 100% of cases are suitable for rad mounting? If it really is that much of an enthusiast chip that you need to model most of your system around the chip (Read case as well as mobo) then why include anything at all? Let the buyer implement their own custom loop, pick their own closed loop solution or decide if they prefer to use high end air.
 
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