thing is mister JF, not to sound weird or anything, but why is no official date confirmed...? as a marketing person surely you agree that knowing when a product is going to be released to the public is an important thing, its AMDs big chance to take back some of the lost ground in the mainstream desktop market, but all they seem to be doing is 'avoiding' saying anything. Intel messed up big-time with their whole chipset business, they have basically shunned the enthusiasts with their 'no overclocking unless we say so...' routine, they are by all rights and respects and evil company! come on AMD win the hearts and minds of the people, there is still such thing as 'word of mouth...' to sell products.