AMD Bulldozer Finally!

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 10:56

AMD's BD 8 core seems stupidly low priced for what it is. A bargain if you can use 8 thread, and renders the 2600k moot.

Most of 8 cores, hence the price reduction as per the amount of components dropped. Such was the nature of AMD's take on hyper threading and the design of BD module, no?

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 10:57

datalol-jack said:
Most of 8 cores, hence the price reduction as per the amount of components dropped. Such was the nature of AMD's take on hyper threading and the design of BD module, no?

Which is why I said it's stupidly cheap for what it is

.
And renders the 2600k a pointless purchase.

If anyone can read between the lines, that's "Good one AMD".

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:00

Which is why I said it's stupidly cheap for what it is .

I felt it best to clarify before the first handbags hit home, thread being what it is.

As when people see "cheap", they ultimately think "poor" or something along the same lines.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:00

datalol-jack said:
I felt it best to clarify before the first handbags hit home, thread being what it is.

Nerds getting raged up about a late CPU

?
I don't think cheap means poor etc. The 2500k is very cheap given what it is, and that's stellar.
AMD are just going very aggressively for price, and in certain situations will no doubt be the better purchase.

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:03

Nerds getting raged up about a late CPU ?

Like a fresh edition of Godzilla Monster World! *Godzilla roar*

gareth170 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:04

better to say "very low price"

people have different meanings for cheap

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:05

gareth170 said:
better to say "very low price"

I'm going to be pedantic here, but low price means different things to different people, cheap for what it is, is spot on.

An example, one of these monitors;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-047-DE

It gets lowered to 500 quid.

That's by no means a "low price" but it is however cheap for what it is.

EDIT : Just seen your edit, I guess we see it differently, fair enough, "Low price for what it is" fits too, assuming you meant that? But low price = cheap does it not?

gareth170 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:08

Martini1991 said:
I'm going to be pedantic here, but low price means different things to different people, cheap for what it is, is spot on.

cheap means different things to different people

also for the price its not poor.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:09

gareth170 said:
cheap means different things to different people

So does low price

.

Guess we just differ.

EDIT : Who said anything about it being poor for the price ?

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:16

There is also that mentality of "having to pay" premium for each extra ounce of performance from the manufacturer. It can get quite silly in terms of perceptions, marketing and pricing when this tendency comes into play. Hence the question of why is the price so good.

gareth170 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:17

Martini1991 said:
An example, one of these monitors;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-047-DE

It gets lowered to 500 quid.

That's by no means a "low price" but it is however cheap for what it is.

i would say it at a lower price

Martini1991 said:
EDIT : Just seen your edit, I guess we see it differently, fair enough, "Low price for what it is" fits too, assuming you meant that? But low price = cheap does it not?

it's a low price for a 8 core.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:19

gareth170 said:
it's a low price for a 8 core.

I see it as low = Cheap.
But that's just me I guess.

It's very unusual pricing that's for sure....
Very aggressive.

I'm keeping my performance estimates as I've always said.

IPC lower than SB, will beat SB out (Notably the 2600k) in heavily multithreaded applications that can utilise the cores. But that's pretty much like saying the grass is green lol.

gareth170 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:19

Martini1991 said:
EDIT : Who said anything about it being poor for the price ?

cheap can mean poor for the price

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:22

gareth170 said:
cheap can mean poor for the price

Depends on the context.
EDIT : We must be frigging board and scraping the bottom of the barrel to be discussing this...

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:27

IPC lower than SB, will beat SB out (Notably the 2600k) in heavily multithreaded applications that can utilise the cores. But that's pretty much like saying the grass is green lol.

And in a core for core war of attrition, AMD can add more for less in the long term, which is always fun.

EDIT : We must be frigging board and scraping the bottom of the barrel to be discussing this...

Could always discuss the next gen barrel architecture in the industrial process of beer production?

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:29

datalol-jack said:
And in a core for core war of attrition, AMD can add more for less in the long term, which is always fun.

AMD's modular design should make it easy for them to keep throwing in cores "On the........ Low

" as software catches up.

In that department, they're in the lead giving more cores to the masses.

datalol-jack · 12 Sep 2011 at 11:33

I agree. Where AMD does struggle is the smaller clout it has with software vendors and industry partners, and although it has been winning more tenders and expanding its reach lately, there is still some ways to go before they can crank out the tools and support needed to evenly compete with their blue arch rivals in that department.

tommybhoy · 12 Sep 2011 at 12:08

Anybody know Morry or Kyle at [H]?

I would hazard a guess that they had BD in the crosshair V they tested:

'While I cannot comment on this officially, I would guess the Crosshair V Formula and its BIOS feature set will work out very well when it comes to overclocking the upcoming Bulldozer/Zambezi desktop processors that we hope to see next month.'

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/09/09/asus_crosshair_v_formula_amd_am3_motherboard_review/6

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 12:12

tommybhoy said:
Anybody know Morry or Kyle at [H]?

I would hazard a guess that they had BD in the crosshair V they tested:

'While I cannot comment on this officially, I would guess the Crosshair V Formula and its BIOS feature set will work out very well when it comes to overclocking the upcoming Bulldozer/Zambezi desktop processors that we hope to see next month.'

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/09/09/asus_crosshair_v_formula_amd_am3_motherboard_review/6

Of course they do, didn't they do a preview with Dirt 3 lol?
I'd be concerned if the CHV and it's BIOS feature set didn't work very well with overclocking, it's like the flagship AM3+ board...

tommybhoy · 12 Sep 2011 at 12:19

In the comments for the crosshair V review @ [H] someone asked:

'Board is primed, hopefully BD makes use of what it brings to the table. '
and Kyle's answer was:

'I think you will be happy with it. Not ultra*******blown out the water with it, but after OCing I think you will be good with your purchase.'

Also Kyle's answer to this comment:

'With my SB running at 4.9Ghz, I doubt I will upgrade anytime soon but if I do, this will be the board to go along with a BD if I do upgrade.'

Kyle replied:

'Yeah, walking away from SB at 4.9GHz is a really hard sell that I don't think will happen.'

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1635319&page=2