AMD Bulldozer Finally!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Sep 2011 at 12:38

It looks like Ivy Bridge might not worth with many socket 1155 motherboards:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/the-upg...ight-be-blocked-by-changes-to-uefi/13513.html

Also,Sandy Bridge E does not look a big a performance jump as many had thought:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/core-i7-3960x-x79-performance,review-32272.html

OTH,it could be quite possible that performance at launch is improved though.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 12:54

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It looks like Ivy Bridge might not worth with many socket 1155 motherboards:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/the-upg...ight-be-blocked-by-changes-to-uefi/13513.html

Also,Sandy Bridge E does not look a big a performance jump as many had thought:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/core-i7-3960x-x79-performance,review-32272.html

OTH,it could be quite possible that performance at launch is improved though.

Except MSI claim to have used Ivy in 1155 boards to disprove Gigabytes PCI-E 3 native support claim.... So yeah

I'd wait and see what happens tbh.

The PCI-E 3 support is only to the primary slot, but it goes to PCI-E 2.0 if Crossfire/SLI is used or something due to the switches used?

manveruppd · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:16

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It looks like Ivy Bridge might not worth with many socket 1155 motherboards:

Groan... so if I went with Intel I'd be buying into a socket with no upgrade path, and if I went with AMD I'd be waiting for their new CPUs for weeks if not months more! This is pretty frustrating.

Incidentally, did anyone notice Futurama from a couple of weeks back, where they open up Bender and he has an "AMD Athlon II" sticker on the inside panel? I thought it was a strange piece of product placement given that they call him "13 years out of date"!

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:18

manveruppd said:
Groan... so if I went with Intel I'd be buying into a socket with no upgrade path, and if I went with AMD I'd be waiting for their new CPUs for weeks if not months more! This is pretty frustrating.

Incidentally, did anyone notice Futurama from a couple of weeks back, where they open up Bender and he has an "AMD Athlon II" sticker on the inside panel? I thought it was a strange piece of product placement given that they call him "13 years out of date"!

Well, there's no way to know for certain.
MSI have used Ivy in their 1155 boards.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:29

Martini1991 said:
Except MSI claim to have used Ivy in 1155 boards to disprove Gigabytes PCI-E 3 native support claim.... So yeah
I'd wait and see what happens tbh.

The PCI-E 3 support is only to the primary slot, but it goes to PCI-E 2.0 if Crossfire/SLI is used or something due to the switches used?

Martini1991 said:
Well, there's no way to know for certain.
MSI have used Ivy in their 1155 boards.

They have only used a prototype CPU in their motherboards and not a final production CPU. The article could be referring to changes in production CPUs.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:30

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
They have only used a prototype CPU in their motherboards and not a final production CPU. The article could be referring to changes in production CPUs.

Point is, it's all ifs and buts.
Hopefully it'll bait Intel to give a statement regarding it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:31

Martini1991 said:
Point is, it's all ifs and buts.
Hopefully it'll bait Intel to give a statement regarding it.

Until production Ivy Bridge CPUs are shown to work fully with existing socket 1155 motherboards MSI can claim anything they want and then retract it at the last minute blaming Intel. They only want to get one up over the competition.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Until production Ivy Bridge CPUs are shown to work fully with existing socket 1155 motherboards MSI can claim anything they want and then retract it at the last minute blaming Intel. They only want to get one up over the competition.

Fair enough, but I see it as scaremongering personally.

Granted, it could happen, but if it does happen, I'm sure there's going to be a massive fallout with Gigabyte and Intel. As, with Gigabyte saying their boards are going to work with Ivy, I'm sure Intel are aware of this, and aren't telling them differently.

Elevon · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:34

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Until production Ivy Bridge CPUs are shown to work fully with existing socket 1155 motherboards MSI can claim anything they want and then retract it at the last minute blaming Intel. They only want to get one up over the competition.

I thought I was in the wrong thread for a minute,getting back on topic some pricing of BD CPUs are out,http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2011/2011091101_Pre-order_prices_of_AMD_FX-Series_CPUs.html .

AMD FX-8120 and FX-8150 CPUs are 8-core models with 8 MB L2 and 8 MB L3 cache. The processors operate at 3.1 and 3.6 GHz, and listed at $222 and $266 respectively. These prices should drop by $10 - $20 once the chips are released. Considering that AMD official prices in 1K quantities are usually $10 - $15 lower than the prices of production chips in this store, we can expect that official prices will be in the range $185 - $200 for FX-8120, and $230 - $245 for FX-8150.

AMD FX-6100 has only 6 CPU cores, or 3 Bulldozer modules. As such, it has only 6 MB of L2 cache. The processor is clocked at 3.3 GHz, and up to 3.9 GHz when Turbo Core feature is active. Like eight-core CPUs, this model has 8 MB L3 cache. The FX-6100 is listed at $188, and its expected official price is $155 - $170, or close to current official price of Phenom II X6 1055T.

tommybhoy · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:49

Elevon said:
getting back on topic some pricing of BD CPUs are out

tommybhoy said:
It's up for pre order in USA:

http://www.techpowerup.com/151949/AMD-FX-Series-Processors-Up-For-Pre-Order.html

Already posted mate.

clocka · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:50

sandy bridge e looks slower than sandybridge except for encoding tasks. No PCI-E 3.0 or thunderbolt is plain stupid. Not even native usb3 lol and only 2 x sata6gbps. AMD is looking rather competitive in regards to modern connections.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:52

clocka said:
sandy bridge e looks slower than sandybridge except for encoding tasks. No PCI-E 3.0 or thunderbolt is plain stupid. Not even native usb3 lol and only 2 x sata6gbps. AMD is looking rather competitive in regards to modern connections.

AMD don't have native USB 3.0, but on the Sata 3 front, AMD have more native Sata 3's on their 990FX.
2011 seems.... Retarded at the moment, barely seems faster than X58 tbh lol. BD's 8 core against SB-E's 6 core... Hmm BD likely going to compete with it in heavily threaded app's.

Elevon · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:52

tommybhoy said:
Already posted mate.

My mistake ,at least we are back on topic

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I have a feeling pricing is according to performance so probably lower then what we thought.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:53

Elevon said:
My mistake ,at least we are back on topic .

I have a feeling pricing is according to performance so probably lower then what we thought.

What were you thinking performance wise?

Elevon · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:56

Martini1991 said:
What were you thinking performance wise?

A bit closer to Intel's current Sandybridge CPUs but not beating them,we'll see when we have official benchmarks down the road.

Gashman · 12 Sep 2011 at 13:57

also, wouldn't worry too much about the price being relatively low, when you think about it, the world as we know it is covered in Intel Inside stickers and Intel Core Inside badges, the televisions are littered with Intel adverts and billboards with Intel plastered all over them. take this into account and what do you expect AMD to do? the only real way they will shift high quantities of Bulldozer processors is to offer solid performance (similar to Sandy Bridge) whilst undercutting their price point, Bulldozer is intended to compete in the high-end market so to do that, they need to regain their wedge in the high-end market before bringing prices back up with upcoming Bulldozer based products.

think of Zambezi as a vanguard, intended in my opinion to wedge itself into the market and start claiming back some lost ground from Intel. once AMD has some market back and people start recognising AMD as a market leader once again, then with products like their enhanced Bulldozer they can start pricing more to suit their preferences, but at the moment unless Bulldozer is mighty mighty fast their hands are tied in terms of prices.

drunkenmaster · 12 Sep 2011 at 14:02

Price won't reflect performance, think of it like this, Dell have a whole range or i7/i5 systems at various prices, AMD comes along with a range of chips that perform literally identically in every single way, and is priced identically.......... wheres the point in bringing out a range of AMD systems at all, theres literally no incentive.

So for AMD is it better to sell exactly zero £145 chips or sell milliones of £135 chips. £10 might not be a lot, but over a million computers sold by dell and thats an increase in profit by 10million.....Dell operates and is happy to save a few pence let alone £5-10.

Elevon · 12 Sep 2011 at 14:04

drunkenmaster said:
Price won't reflect performance, think of it like this, Dell have a whole range or i7/i5 systems at various prices, AMD comes along with a range of chips that perform literally identically in every single way, and is priced identically.......... wheres the point in bringing out a range of AMD systems at all, theres literally no incentive.

So for AMD is it better to sell exactly zero £145 chips or sell milliones of £135 chips. £10 might not be a lot, but over a million computers sold by dell and thats an increase in profit by 10million.....Dell operates and is happy to save a few pence let alone £5-10.

I hope you are right,regardless I have not set my expectations too high,so hopefully I won't be disappointed.

Martini1991 · 12 Sep 2011 at 14:06

Elevon said:
A bit closer to Intel's current Sandybridge CPUs but not beating them,we'll see when we have official benchmarks down the road.

IPC I expect lower than X58, but AMD are giving you 8 cores for a low price, so its performance depends on the application.

zoomee · 12 Sep 2011 at 14:20

drunkenmaster said:
Price won't reflect performance, think of it like this, Dell have a whole range or i7/i5 systems at various prices, AMD comes along with a range of chips that perform literally identically in every single way, and is priced identically.......... wheres the point in bringing out a range of AMD systems at all, theres literally no incentive.

So for AMD is it better to sell exactly zero £145 chips or sell milliones of £135 chips. £10 might not be a lot, but over a million computers sold by dell and thats an increase in profit by 10million.....Dell operates and is happy to save a few pence let alone £5-10.

In a real competitive environment every penny helps - just a shame that Dell is too busy sucking intels *..... as proven by recent anti-competitive cases