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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Its a 'bulldozers coming' discussion thread.... on its way it broke a world record...

Just saying....


then a few users jump in to be negative...

'breaking a world record doesn't mean anything... my intel did near that for ages... amd won't be any good still in reality... '


any need?


Just celebrate that processor tech is moving on... new limits are being reached.


No need to hate.
 
Ok been a while since i posted here have to be honest thought some solid info on the retail cpu's would have appeared by now so for me big negative there is nothing.On the whole world record thing seems there is a bit of hypocrisy going on because it was AMD that took the record. In the past when Intel have set new records it has been a sign of their progress but now AMD have took the record it means nothing lol.I take it if Intel retake the record no one will be heralding it as a plus, yeah right ;).
 
Really? Dig up past threads regarding world records. There are always moaners like me harping on about how liquid nitrogen and helium clocks are irrelevant and quite yawnworthy. They don't indicate real world performance or overclockability....so who gives a rats ass.
 
There are always moaners like me harping on about how liquid nitrogen and helium clocks are irrelevant and quite yawnworthy. They don't indicate real world performance or overclockability....so who gives a rats ass.

Is that those freaky looking computers that looks like the backside of a washing machine? :)
 
Really? Dig up past threads regarding world records. There are always moaners like me harping on about how liquid nitrogen and helium clocks are irrelevant and quite yawnworthy. They don't indicate real world performance or overclockability....so who gives a rats ass.

THerein lies the problem, they do exactly what you claim they don't.

They establish several things, they establish the architecture scales up to 2v very well, they establish there isn't a cold bug, you might not use phase change but quite a few people do. The LN2 cooling could have resulted in a chip that topped out at 6Ghz, didn't scale beyond 1.6V, and blew up at 1.7v....... it didn't, thats ALL very relevant information.

Lets say they ONLY did crap watercooling, and lets say at 1.5v they hit 5Ghz and couldn't go higher....... then stopped.

What stopped them, voltage, cooling, heat, clock speed, who knows, take your pick. By establishing exactly what the architecture can do, it answers all those questions, with better cooling more voltage will indeed allow higher clock speeds for those with better cooling, from a better high end air cooler, to high end water.

Thats the problem, you're completely wrong, it is relevant and you repeated ignore that and all the other info gather at the event. AMD can't help how other sites report it, nor is it their "fault" that the chip broke the record, it may have only hit 8Ghz and the headlines might have been 5.5Ghz on air, woo.

The event gave us plenty of useful info, and this has pretty much been pointed out by several people several times over. Now if this record was done in 6 months, when we already knew exactly how Bulldozer scaled on air, water, what its voltage limits were, then it would be pretty irrelevant. But most of the time when people tell you "X voltage is safe as long as temps are below Y", comes from people who test chips to their limit and kill them. This is the kind of overclocking that helps establish whats safe, the overclockers will continue to play with some of those chips for weeks, if some die and they were used at 1.8v, thats useful info, if the ones used at 2v are still going strong in 2 months at silly overclocks in 24/7 rigs, thats useful info.

When you come back with what amounts to "yeah, but its crap, its only two cores" comes across less as a genuine expression of opinion and far more as "hahah, Intel are better". When you repeatedly also ignore that Sandy can't come close to that record fully enabled, the previous record was a heavily crippled Intel chip and thats simple how world records are done, only around 30% of the chip was actually disabled and it would be more a case of available amps from the mobo than that the chip itself wasn't capable of doing it with all cores enabled. For instance, they didn't try each module individually, maybe one of the other 3 modules, or all of the were faster and they by chance got the least fast module.
 
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If bulldozer is released today what time should benchmarks appear?

It's not released today.

THerein lies the problem, they do exactly what you claim they don't.

They establish several things, they establish the architecture scales up to 2v very well, they establish there isn't a cold bug, you might not use phase change but quite a few people do. The LN2 cooling could have resulted in a chip that topped out at 6Ghz, didn't scale beyond 1.6V, and blew up at 1.7v....... it didn't, thats ALL very relevant information.

Lets say they ONLY did crap watercooling, and lets say at 1.5v they hit 5Ghz and couldn't go higher....... then stopped.

What stopped them, voltage, cooling, heat, clock speed, who knows, take your pick. By establishing exactly what the architecture can do, it answers all those questions, with better cooling more voltage will indeed allow higher clock speeds for those with better cooling, from a better high end air cooler, to high end water.

Thats the problem, you're completely wrong, it is relevant and you repeated ignore that and all the other info gather at the event. AMD can't help how other sites report it, nor is it their "fault" that the chip broke the record, it may have only hit 8Ghz and the headlines might have been 5.5Ghz on air, woo.

The event gave us plenty of useful info, and this has pretty much been pointed out by several people several times over. Now if this record was done in 6 months, when we already knew exactly how Bulldozer scaled on air, water, what its voltage limits were, then it would be pretty irrelevant. But most of the time when people tell you "X voltage is safe as long as temps are below Y", comes from people who test chips to their limit and kill them. This is the kind of overclocking that helps establish whats safe, the overclockers will continue to play with some of those chips for weeks, if some die and they were used at 1.8v, thats useful info, if the ones used at 2v are still going strong in 2 months at silly overclocks in 24/7 rigs, thats useful info.

When you come back with what amounts to "yeah, but its crap, its only two cores" comes across less as a genuine expression of opinion and far more as "hahah, Intel are better". When you repeatedly also ignore that Sandy can't come close to that record fully enabled, the previous record was a heavily crippled Intel chip and thats simple how world records are done, only around 30% of the chip was actually disabled and it would be more a case of available amps from the mobo than that the chip itself wasn't capable of doing it with all cores enabled. For instance, they didn't try each module individually, maybe one of the other 3 modules, or all of the were faster and they by chance got the least fast module.


That's a massive amount of.... whatever it is for a reply to a 3 sentence post.
 
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@drunkenmaster Wow that was a rant and a half there! :p Don't blame you though, I was getting annoyed too, it was like a page and a half of people posting to say "yawn, so what?" and people flaming them in response. Glad someone who knows his stuff finally stepped up to explain just why this is interesting news! Hopefully the pointless back and forth will stop now. And hopefully there'll also be a press release from AMD today, maybe announcing a firm launch date so I can finally plan my next system! There were rumours of *something* happening on the 19th for a couple of weeks now, let's see...
 
But it is fairly irrelevant. It managed the highest clock speed, no more and no less, but it's certainly a feat.
It's like saying everything previous is inferior to the celerons for all the "reasons" DM gave.

@drunkenmaster Wow that was a rant and a half there! :p Don't blame you though, I was getting annoyed too, it was like a page and a half of people posting to say "yawn, so what?" and people flaming them in response. Glad someone who knows his stuff finally stepped up to explain just why this is interesting news! Hopefully the pointless back and forth will stop now. And hopefully there'll also be a press release from AMD today, maybe announcing a firm launch date so I can finally plan my next system! There were rumours of *something* happening on the 19th for a couple of weeks now, let's see...

The 19th was the slated date which slipped.
It's no longer the 19th, or for that matter, September.
 
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But it is fairly irrelevant. It managed the highest clock speed, no more and no less, but it's certainly a feat.
It's like saying everything previous is inferior to the celerons for all the "reasons" DM gave.

It is pretty relevant how many people, dons included were saying they were suspect that AMD would leave very little headroom on these CPUs, and would be a very poor overclocker, due to winding the clock up to try and catch SB, that was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago.
Saying that we could end up with retail chips not able to hit this or even able to hit more, were not going to know for certain, but kind of dispels that popular myth from a couple of weeks back.
 
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It is pretty relevant how many people, dons included were saying they were suspect that AMD would leave very little headroom on these CPUs due to winding the clock up to try and catch SB, that was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago.

We don't know stable overclocks...
Deneb's didn't overclock massive amounts, you'd be lucky to get 3.9GHZ from a 955 originally.

700mhz headroom.

Yet under L2N? They hit like 7GHZ etc.
 
They were showing the 5.5 clock on the sealed water cooler on all 8 cores, or was that bit not even seen by most folk who are saying that this event showed nothing relevant?
Most people here arent going to be playing with extreme cooling solutions, but there were other parts in the event that were very relevant to us and no I know most arent gonna be hitting 8 Ghz clocks but other cooling solutions were shown running with varying clock speeds.
And no thats true we dont know they were stable, maybe they werent, but we can only go off the little info that gets dribbled out here and there.
 
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They were showing the 5.5 clock on the sealed water cooler on all 8 cores, or was that bit not even seen by most folk who are saying that this event showed nothing relevant?

And they said that was unstable...
Note the keyword of "stable" I'm using.

I could boot 4.5GHZ on my old Thuban, it wasn't stable, and it sure as hell didn't give any realistic data on what 1055T's could achieve as 24/7, as many will cap 4GHZ etc.
 
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And they said that was unstable...
Note the keywords of "stable" I'm using.

I could boot 4.5GHZ on my old Thuban, it wasn't stable, and it sure as hell didn't give any realistic data on what 1055T's could achieve as 24/7, as many will cap 4GHZ etc.

The 5.5 Ghz sealed unit on demo wasnt said to be unstable? Where did you see that.
Bah ignore that I got the clock speed wrong on the sealed unit it was more like 4.8 stable.
If I remember right it was said most that were picked out could get to 5.5 but weren't trying to stabilise at that speed, as they were just picking out the better chips for the record attempt.
Saying that am full of a cold so I could be remebering totally wrong as I feel like I have a brain made of cotton wool at the minute :)
 
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