AMD Bulldozer Finally!

zoomee · 14 Mar 2011 at 21:36

drunkenmaster said:
Intel don't need, but SHOULD have a octo core in mainstream by now. Q6600, 65nm launched Q1 07, 4 years later, still on quad cores and they won't do mainstream octo cores till almost 6 years later.

In the core race AMD will win, but THIS is one of the problems for AMD - they can innovate as much as they like with new features (I'm still interested in what the AVX instruction set will give us!) but Intel set the standards for software to follow. At the moment Intel are milking the High core speed / single thread scene (not much left to go though!)

software will only follow ensuite with hardware as they dictate

For example: Most hardcore enthusiasts are gamers - games are mainly ported crap from consoles these days (using only three cores at best!) and Intel know you only need four cores to keep that scene in check...

zoomee · 15 Mar 2011 at 14:14

Asus drops bomb:

http://translate.google.com/transla...od-for-bulldozer-med-bios-uppdatering&act=url

If this is true - I'll love AMD for ever and ever and ever and ever!

Fonz-Valo · 15 Mar 2011 at 14:35

zoomee said:
Asus drops bomb:

http://translate.google.com/transla...od-for-bulldozer-med-bios-uppdatering&act=url

If this is true - I'll love AMD for ever and ever and ever and ever!

If that is true then I'll be ecstatic! The only thing stopping me quickly adopting Bulldozer is losing my Crosshair IV Formula

braveheart · 15 Mar 2011 at 14:35

Read other news and apart of the page:

Future Bulldozer

AMD Financial Analyst Day 2010 [21], revealed the 2nd generation is to be scheduled for 2012. AMD currently refers to this as Enhanced Bulldozer.

This new generation of Bulldozer core will be incorporated into specific desktop and notebook markets:

Desktop Performance market: Zambezi will be replaced by Komodo. (The latter is only available in 8-core form.)
Desktop Budget and Mainstream market: The Stars-based Llano Fusion APU will be replaced by Trinity Fusion APU. (The latter using 2nd generation Bulldozer-based cores.)
Notebook Mainstream and Performance market: Will be the same as mentioned in Desktop Budget/Mainstream market.

No other details of the 2nd generation Bulldozer have been released.

zoomee · 15 Mar 2011 at 15:42

Fonz-Valo said:
If that is true then I'll be ecstatic! The only thing stopping me quickly adopting Bulldozer is losing my Crosshair IV Formula

Exactly my reason too bud - I'd go so far as to hold off for the 2nd Gen BD stuff lol.

That site apparantly has a very close relationship with Asus so it could be true!

PS - New BETA bios for CHIV out on XS

tbh · 15 Mar 2011 at 15:58

zoomee said:
Asus drops bomb:

http://translate.google.com/transla...od-for-bulldozer-med-bios-uppdatering&act=url

If this is true - I'll love AMD for ever and ever and ever and ever!

Amazing how we can't seem to get a concrete answer to what is a relatively simple question.

Final8y · 15 Mar 2011 at 16:18

Asus current motherboards but fitted with a AM3+ socket is what they meant.

AM3 is simply physically incompatible.

buchtis · 15 Mar 2011 at 16:45

So does that mean that it will be compatible with my mobo now?

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=890FX Deluxe3

Final8y · 15 Mar 2011 at 17:12

buchtis said:
So does that mean that it will be compatible with my mobo now?

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=890FX Deluxe3

Sadly unless they say you can break the extra pin off & update the bios.

nightmare99 · 15 Mar 2011 at 17:37

Asus current motherboards but fitted with a AM3+ socket is what they meant.

AM3 is simply physically incompatible.

Yeah I assume they mean a PCB revision to the original boards.

LLBDTiberio · 15 Mar 2011 at 17:51

Am keeping my eye on this as I'd quite like to stick with AMD when I upgrade my mobo and cpu in the autumn.

buchtis · 15 Mar 2011 at 18:33

Final8y said:
Sadly unless they say you can break the extra pin off & update the bios.

I thought mine was AM3+..?

Ffs.

zoomee · 15 Mar 2011 at 18:34

nightmare99 said:
Yeah I assume they mean a PCB revision to the original boards.

lol - if thats the case there'll be allot of magical RMA's going on - me included

Troezar · 15 Mar 2011 at 18:56

Sounds to me like it may be compatible with the most recent revisions of the AM3 motherboards, according to the article. Whether that is actually physically possible is another matter as I don't own such a board...

raikesi · 15 Mar 2011 at 19:05

good article - but I guess something was lost in translation

Current owners of an AM3-based board cannabis husband AMD 8-Series motherboards compatible with the latest AM3 + CPUs with a simple BIOS update from the official ASUS website.

Gashman · 15 Mar 2011 at 19:35

sorry but that article does not say a revised board, it basically says current Crosshair IV is compatible with AM3+ with BIOS update, look at the chart down the bottom. if it was a revision of the current board it would be listed under 'upcoming' products rather than current products. otherwise its the most pointless thing to state in a long time, so to me what ASUS are saying there is current AM3 boards (Crosshair IV, etc.) are compatible with AM3+ through a BIOS update, which suggests that the pin-layout is indeed compatible between AM3 and AM3+ or else it wouldn't physically work. this also supports another bunch of 'rumours' claiming one of AMDs partners have made Bulldozer work on a current motherboard with a special BIOS.

Edit: also really good news if that other article isn't a load of balls, too be directly comparing Bulldozer to the Sandy Bridge processors on level ground bodes well for potential performance, otherwise they couldn't really compare the two. if it is Sandy Bridge priced so be it, as long as it offers good performance for the price, will gladly get rid of my Evil Inside processor Im currently using. just wish AMD would actually give a concrete launch date, rather than just Q2 2011, may as well say 'sometime this year...', how does that really help?

Judgeneo · 15 Mar 2011 at 19:53

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/13...md-bulldozer-sex-moderkort-kompatibla-med-am3

There we go, article from the same site says that only the more recent motherboards (gigabyte this time) will be bulldozer compatible as they have the correct amount of pin slots.

If your gigabyte board has a black socket, your in luck

nightmare99 · 15 Mar 2011 at 20:03

rather than just Q2 2011

Well a three month window is better than sometime this year.

zoomee · 15 Mar 2011 at 21:03

Judgeneo said:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/13...md-bulldozer-sex-moderkort-kompatibla-med-am3

There we go, article from the same site says that only the more recent motherboards (gigabyte this time) will be bulldozer compatible as they have the correct amount of pin slots.

If your gigabyte board has a black socket, your in luck

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=ECc&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=ivns

Thats for gigabyte boards - hope the same holds true for asus ch4 as I could swear there was a pin difference on the actual socket between this and my older m4a89gtd

Martini1991 · 15 Mar 2011 at 21:27

The CH4 has a regular AM3 socket, not AM3+.

Here's the difference visibly