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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Tell that to the boys at xtremesystems mate :

new BIOS supports individual core volts (aka la bulldozer maybe?)

"I am not sure updating to the latest BIOS for the C4F is a good idea. The changelog says:
"For testing AM3+ CPU Function only, do no update this BIOS while using AM3 or previous type CPUs!"

I coulda sworn I saw a difference in socket pins between my m4a89gtdpro-usb3 bought back in Mar 2010 to my CHIV bought in Nov 2010
 
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hmmm my GA-890GPA-UD3H has a black socket and by the pic on the website looks like the top picture above. Might have to strip it down and take a look.

Or not.. mine is a rev 2.1 with a white socket. The rev 3.1 has a black socket. bah.
 
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Isn't the extra pin something to do with turboboost or whatever it is and if you get rid of that pin it will fit although how it works remains to be seen.
 
Well JF-AMD put this rumour to bed the other week but another odd translation starts it up again. But wouldnt have thought asus would have bothered doing a rev 2 chiv? Thought they were pretty close to showing off the CHV? And yet again it specifically mentions an AM3 socket not AM3+ like MSI did the other week... maybe a plus sign doesnt get translated correctly?
 
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Why do i get the feeling that a few BD chips are going to get a pin amputated :)
Seems bios support is not going to be a problem.
 
Hmm its not making much sense, if it is possible to use exisiting AM3 boards then why release 800 series revisions with AM3+ when 900 series AM3+ is not that far away (june)?

And why is JF-AMD stating otherwise?
 
But it won't fit....
And the wording is confusing ; ASUS, the worldwide leader in motherboard design and sales, today announced the release of the industry's first AM3+ CPU enabled motherboard solution based on the existing AMD 8-Series Chipsets

Assumes they're releasing AM3+ CH4's.
 
Don't be in denial dude - lets run with it ;)

Taking into account rumours about AMD chipset issues they may have left 900 series for now and decided to concentrate on 800 compatibility for bulldozer. I know back last year there was a decision to be made between AM3 and AM3+.

IF they were releasing a newer revision CH4 they would have linked to that instead of the existing one ;) It quite clearly states existing AM3 boards upgradeable to Bulldozer support. It's probably something in the design that allows them to do this whereas other manufacturers are having to replace the socket.

Or it could also be Bulldozer is launched on two different sockets - AM3 and AM3+ similar to some older processors that they launched on two sockets...

If I recall correctly the CH4 came out way after the general 800series boards - they may already have the newer type sockets....
 
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I think the ASUS statement is quite clear.


Current owners of an AM3-based board* will make their AMD 8-Series motherboards compatible with the latest AM3+ CPUs with a simple BIOS** update from the official ASUS website.
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* BIOS Upgradable Supported AM3 models:
Model Chipset BIOS Version
Crosshair IV Extreme AMD 890FX/SB850 3012
Crosshair IV Formula AMD 890FX/SB850 3012
M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AMD 890FX/SB850 3012
M4A89TD PRO AMD 890FX/SB850 3012
M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AMD 890GX/SB850 3012
M4A89GTD PRO AMD 890GX/SB850 3012

** Current BIOS update is a beta release. Please check the ASUS support site for continual updates
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I have 2 boards on the list CH4 and the GTD PRO USB3 :)
 
If the above is true, then there's simply an extra pin for future cpus i.e. one's in a couple of years so amd users wont have to switch boards twice. The bulldozer launch chips won't use that extra pin meaning the only constraint for comparability will be a boards ability to regulate power (which will also include the bios).

P.s. *confused*

Edit: after adding coffee to the equation it makes sense. Best comparability compromise, limited only by the quality of the board. Lucky crosshair iv owners :P
 
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Looking at the ASUS list of supported boards it is clear only the models with strong VRM's are included.
This makes sense as i imagine an eight core BD will be quite power hungry.

What we need now is some clarification on the pin count of the initial release of desktop BD chips.
One has to assume based on recently released info from ASUS and MSI that they will fit into an AM3 socket.

Where is JF_AMD ?
I eagerly await his back peddling performance :)
 
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Where is JF_AMD ?
I eagerly await his back peddling performance :)
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Just like the core unlockers on the 8-Series boards I'm pretty sure this won't be AMD sanctioned and will be more the case of board manufacturers being intuitive.

Besides, for the most part you aren't going to see the average consumer maiming their CPUs and I suspect the same for big business if they even drop new processors into old machines (most will just buy a new range of machines no doubt).

I wonder if Asus will support older boards like my M4A785TD-V Evo since it has 8+2 phase power and they have some upcoming 760g boards that will be supported.

I remember someone on this forum replacing the ZIF socket on their motherboard because they had managed to break it - I'd prolly be happy to do the same or drill an extra hole in my current one if it meant a good level of BD support! :P
 
Think ASUS are playing it safe to a certain extent.
Only 'support' for boards they know will meet the power requirements.
 
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