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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

The only proper way of checking if the pin is used at all now is to check if the space for the pin left open in black sockets has a track connected to this pin... and you won't know unless you strip your board to bits :) unless you have access to mobo's electronics and PCB diagram... doubtful.
 
Im using Asus Crosshair IV Formula that only for AM3 as I know AM3+ CPU dont support in Am3 motherboard but ASUS is testing AM3+ for the Crosshair IV (AM3) --but tell you dont update as it testing if it support or not have look this link: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=kPGmtxee5RsQVsXG&templete=2 wonder if the AM3+ CPU put into Am3 mobo as I know it wont support - it may u-turn by AMD - best to wait and see if it work or not... it just testing to see if it run or not as i know the AM3 and AM3+ are 1 pin difference...

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
 
Possibles

1/ The extra pin is not connected electrically on the AM3 socket.
2/ The extra pin is connected to a required connection on the AM3b socket
3/ The extra pin is harmlessly connected to another connection on the AM3 socket
4/ The extra pin is connected electrically to another connection on the AM3 socket which would cause errors or damage. Risk to processor.

1/ and 3/ are OK for AM3
2/ and 4/ are not OK for AM3

Physically forming a 'blank hole' for the pin is painstaking but not worse than earlier pin or socket mods with socket A 462. Removing a pin would be exceptionally difficult in my estimation without damage to the processor.

Potentially damaging a motherboard that will be surplus to your system if it does not work is possibly a risk worth taking. Risking damaging a new processor to avoid a new motherboard is not.

andy.
 
Its VERY likely the AM3+ CPU doesn't use all the pins on the AM3+ socket. Just like the current X6 CPU's don't use all the pins on the AM3 sockets. We won't know for sure until the actual CPU ships - the rest is just plain speculation.

It looks like (going according to info from XS) the reason the Asus boards work is that the extra pin required (not talking about the one blocked off physically but the one not used by the X6 cpu's) has been wired correctly to the rest of the motherboard. Other manufacturers will have chosen not to (and even Asus didn't with some boards) - hence why a BIOS update won't just allow them to work.

Hope thats clear to understand - There is no way Asus would have put a BETA AM3+ CPU bios on their FTP site (which they know all the hardcore enthusiasts regularly trawl) just to let us down at a later stage. Instead they have confirmed this officially that CERTAIN Asus 800series boards WILL be able to use bulldozer.

Drilling holes for an extra pin is just a joke lol - If the tracks ain't there on the mainboard (and pointing to the correct place) its pointless :)

Hats off to Asus for doing the job right from the start ;) (Well, for some of their boards!)
 
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zoomee said:
Drilling holes for an extra pin is just a joke lol - If the tracks ain't there on the mainboard (and pointing to the correct place) its pointless :)
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Only if the pins are electrically connected (on the CPU end) AND are *required* in the first place, otherwise if the CPU can survive without that pin being electrically connected then no, it is not a joke.

No one has suggested that there would be an electrical connection on the board simply by overcoming the physical limitation of the socket.

Also again with regards to this being a joke - this is an enthusiast forum, as sad as it is people have FUN making their CPUs do things that they aren't specifically meant to do such as core unlocking and overclocking. If this mod is possible then it just adds to the excitement as it were.
 
Bulldozer is the first time I've been interested in an AMD setup, mainly down to the motherboards supporting socket types not changing every time the sun sets.
 
can't understand why AMD and ASUS are both saying two totally different things, thats just damn right confusing from a customer point of view and its not winning either side any fans in my opinion. it points to AMD being misleading, saying Bulldozer cannot work with AM3 when according to ASUS it can, and does with a BIOS update, on the other side of the spectrum if its all hyperbole and not true, it makes ASUS look misleading, claiming they can make Bulldozer work on a socket that AMD has said quite firmly will not support Bulldozer. :rolleyes:
 
Pulseammo said:
Only if the pins are electrically connected (on the CPU end) AND are *required* in the first place, otherwise if the CPU can survive without that pin being electrically connected then no, it is not a joke.

No one has suggested that there would be an electrical connection on the board simply by overcoming the physical limitation of the socket.

Also again with regards to this being a joke - this is an enthusiast forum, as sad as it is people have FUN making their CPUs do things that they aren't specifically meant to do such as core unlocking and overclocking. If this mod is possible then it just adds to the excitement as it were.
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Firstly let me apologise if I've upset you in anyway - excuse my excitement please!
am3 socket: 941 pin holes
am3+ socket: 942 pin holes
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am3 cpu: 938 pins
am3+ cpu: 940 pins

And Asus have already routed (activated) the 2 extra pinholes on the am3 socket for the boards on their list (940pin-938pin), and the 940pin am3+ cpu is physically able to be placed in the 941 pinhole am3 socket.

Guess which pin will be missing if you do the math according to the figures above?

/someone needs to slap me for having the same conversation in about 7 threads on the web lol
 
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Gashman said:
can't understand why AMD and ASUS are both saying two totally different things, thats just damn right confusing from a customer point of view and its not winning either side any fans in my opinion. it points to AMD being misleading, saying Bulldozer cannot work with AM3 when according to ASUS it can, and does with a BIOS update, on the other side of the spectrum if its all hyperbole and not true, it makes ASUS look misleading, claiming they can make Bulldozer work on a socket that AMD has said quite firmly will not support Bulldozer. :rolleyes:
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They had this exact same argument with MSI when MSI released boards with the AM3 socket and it clearly says AM3+ on the board itself lol.
 
These are unofficial actions by some mobo companys AMD as a company is stating they are not compatable because even if in some rare cases compatability is possible you'll always get some idiot try it in a AM3 board that doesn't. Amd like every single company out there are covering themselves legally it really isn't that hard to understand i honestly cannot see why some havn't understood that. Also there may well be functions of BD that won't work as well if at all in these AM3 sockets so until the chip is out and someone compares a BD in an am3 and am3+ socket we simply do not know.
 
RizlaKing said:
These are unofficial actions by some mobo companys AMD as a company is stating they are not compatable because even if in some rare cases compatability is possible you'll always get some idiot try it in a AM3 board that doesn't. Amd like every single company out there are covering themselves legally it really isn't that hard to understand i honestly cannot see why some havn't understood that. Also there may well be functions of BD that won't work as well if at all in these AM3 sockets so until the chip is out and someone compares a BD in an am3 and am3+ socket we simply do not know.
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This.
 
I'm on a q6600 and Asus p5k black pearl. Got them sometime in 2007.

I'm waiting to see the performance figures from bulldozer before committing to BD or SB.
 
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