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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Could one look at these new bulldozer processors in a similar light to the HD2900XT when that came out?

That had ridiculous power consumption but they quickly released the 3870 to improve upon that and correct some of the architecture mistakes.... then the 4870 was a great card.....

I dont know much about processor architecuture design so someone who does electrical engineering might be able to explain why im completely wrong!
 
Nelly said:
I can't be arrsed to read through all the reviews, but clock for clock did any show the 8150 @ 4.4GHz vs 2500k @4.4GHz as a random example?

If I was Intel I would release Ivybridge CPU's at 3.6GHz + then at least clueless people who buy gaming rigs from high street retailers will know their getting their bang for buck at stock settings.

I bet a lot of clueless people just look at clock speed and think "wow AMD must be better, it's clocked higher."
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Doing that would only hurt them.
 
I'm fairly new to gaming pc's and choosing your own setup etc but I go into the scene a few weeks before bulldozer was released.

I thought I would hold on until it was released to how well it performed against the 1090t. I assumed it was going to better but wanted to know if the performance gain was worth the extra ££

I jst dont understand it.

How does a company spend billion on R&D and not realise that their latest creation is on a par, at time worse and certaintly no better in programs and applications that are currently what people are using.

They may be well ahead when application and games are released that can utilise 8 cores but that isnt the case for I assume quite some time.

I just dont understand how it can happen, surely tests and benchmarks were done at AMD againt previous design and their Intel competitors
 
Ben3991 said:
How does a company spend billion on R&D and not realise that their latest creation is on a par, at time worse and certaintly no better in programs and applications that are currently what people are using.

I just dont understand how it can happen, surely tests and benchmarks were done at AMD againt previous design and their Intel competitors
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It can happen.

AMD never designed the BD to be slower than their old CPU. This CPU has been in the works for many years. When the drafted out the design, they would've felt that it would be faster than anything else out there. They would've ran simulations and all their data would've told them that what they were doing was great.

Obviously, as time went on and they came across problems (which is quite normal), they would've found solutions to some problems but would've had to make compromises in some areas.

They should've release this CPU 6 months ago. They had problems. They needed to solve the problems before releasing the CPU and to a large extent, they did.

What they have on their hands is a good architecture for a CPU, however, it just so happens that the first generation is pretty ordinary. Which again, is quite normal.

So, why did the relase it? Why not develop the 2nd generation and release that one in 6-12 months? Simple answer revenue/money.

Sure, the BD is quite ordinary (it is not a bad CPU...it just isn't great). It WILL sell. They will market their cpus as the cpu with 8 cores. An Intel CPU of a similar price has 4 cores...BD has 8 cores. A good salesman can make a killing selling computers which are based around this CPU.

In summary, BD will sell well (not great...but it will do OK).

So, given that AMD have a product that will sell well, why on Earth would they not release it? They would have to be insane not to release it and earn some money from it.
 
sunama said:
It can happen.

AMD never designed the BD to be slower than their old CPU. This CPU has been in the works for many years. When the drafted out the design, they would've felt that it would be faster than anything else out there. They would've ran simulations and all their data would've told them that what they were doing was great.

Obviously, as time went on and they came across problems (which is quite normal), they would've found solutions to some problems but would've had to make compromises in some areas.

They should've release this CPU 6 months ago. They had problems. They needed to solve the problems before releasing the CPU and to a large extent, they did.

What they have on their hands is a good architecture for a CPU, however, it just so happens that the first generation is pretty ordinary. Which again, is quite normal.

So, why did the relase it? Why not develop the 2nd generation and release that one in 6-12 months? Simple answer revenue/money.

Sure, the BD is quite ordinary (it is not a bad CPU...it just isn't great). It WILL sell. They will market their cpus as the cpu with 8 cores. An Intel CPU of a similar price has 4 cores...BD has 8 cores. A good salesman can make a killing selling computers which are based around this CPU.

In summary, BD will sell well (not great...but it will do OK).

So, given that AMD have a product that will sell well, why on Earth would they not release it? They would have to be insane not to release it and earn some money from it.
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This. I wish other people were able to grasp this.
 
whats with the AMD Bulldozer FX?

8 cores at 4.2ghz with 8mb of L2 and 8mb of L3 cache, and yet it still scores significantly lower that the 3.7ghz 2500k in every benchmark, and yet the bulldozer costs more?!

Are AMD still under living under a rock? why release a cpu which is supposed to rival the 2600k when it is falling short of the 2500k by miles?? :confused:
 
Its ok, in a few years software will be optimized for it so the performance may increase. Mean while the rest of us will be on the next/next gen from intel:D
 
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Gandeh said:
Surely there is enough hate, anger, false information and hope to carry us on to page 300?
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Sorry, but REAL men set their forums to 80 posts per page, and by that count I'm only on p96!:p I doubt there's enough bile and heartbreak to carry us to p100, so we might as well move to the new thread! :)

DONS PLEASE LOCK! :D
 
I think this thread should be made a sticky as a warning to us all.

Wait for the next big thing or just buy whats the best now ? Want the answer ? Read this thread.
 
sunama said:
It can happen.

AMD never designed the BD to be slower than their old CPU. This CPU has been in the works for many years. When the drafted out the design, they would've felt that it would be faster than anything else out there. They would've ran simulations and all their data would've told them that what they were doing was great.

Obviously, as time went on and they came across problems (which is quite normal), they would've found solutions to some problems but would've had to make compromises in some areas.

They should've release this CPU 6 months ago. They had problems. They needed to solve the problems before releasing the CPU and to a large extent, they did.

What they have on their hands is a good architecture for a CPU, however, it just so happens that the first generation is pretty ordinary. Which again, is quite normal.

So, why did the relase it? Why not develop the 2nd generation and release that one in 6-12 months? Simple answer revenue/money.

Sure, the BD is quite ordinary (it is not a bad CPU...it just isn't great). It WILL sell. They will market their cpus as the cpu with 8 cores. An Intel CPU of a similar price has 4 cores...BD has 8 cores. A good salesman can make a killing selling computers which are based around this CPU.

In summary, BD will sell well (not great...but it will do OK).

So, given that AMD have a product that will sell well, why on Earth would they not release it? They would have to be insane not to release it and earn some money from it.
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Some sense, good post.
 
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