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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

opethdisciple said:
Maybe the fact the benchmarks score are so pitiful for BD, may mean that the chip is indeed decent, its just a little bit ahead of its time.
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I think this CPU is too late rather than early, the time to release this chip was a couple of years ago instead of the Phenom X6 (perhaps that was the original plan?), if they had released it back then it would have performed good at the time and evolved into something very decent by now.

The architecture is definitely ahead of its time though because single thread performance is still very important in the industry and (unlike Intel) AMD have basically neglected it in favour of more individually slower cores.
 
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sunama said:
If they had released BD, 2 years ago, by now the evolved version of BD, would be an Intel killer.
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Perhaps a 2600K killer if they had sorted out the single threaded performance but then Intel would have probably pushed their 6 core chips forward into the mainstream market by now and it would be competing against a 6 core SB instead.
 
I've just thought of something.
AMD have downgraded their own price/performance at certain price points >.<. The FX6100 is 1100T/1090T territory and gets destroyed by it for example.
 
i still think it's down to the software thats the issue, i've seen a benchmark (can't remember where i seen it) that a bd is well ahead

but thats what i just think..
 
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i am still tempted to order one of the fx8150's , but this would mean i would need a new mobo as it seems that support that was promised from asus is not there :(
 
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gareth170 said:
i still think it's down to the software thats the issue, i've seen a benchmark (can't remember where i seen it) that a bd is well ahead

but thats what i just think..
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There will be one situation or another where BD is well ahead. (I don't mean that literally, there's problem X amount where it's a lot better, Y where it's on par, and Z where it's getting creamed)

Even if it is software, you're at softwares mercy, it's a minor condolence for current performance.
 
opethdisciple said:
There is obviously something very wrong at the moment.

Bios or HAL something is not right.

But wouldnt have AMD seen this during testing?
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I'm not saying it's fine, because I don't think it is.
But AMD knew the figures they were getting as per their skewed PR pictures for the press and their youtube video.

So, what I have to ask is ; Ok fine, there's a software problem, now what? ;)
 
gareth170 said:
amd should release a optimizer for the fx cpus if thats the issue.. as they did with the AMD Athlon dual core.
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Except it's not that simple.
The only thing I can think of, is what I discussed before launch (A few weeks in fact)

Going like this ;


Thread 1 = Module 1
Thread 2 = Module 2

At the moment I believe it's going

Thread 1 = Module 1
Thread 2 = Module 2

Which causes the problem of poor performance in light threaded app's.

Honestly, apart from using the AMD specific instruction sets (Which they probably won't, because well, you don't just click a tick box for using X instruction set or Y amount of cores) it's not going to get much better.
 
if amd releases a new revision which fixs the performance i wonder if they would accept a rma of the buggy b2 chips?

personly i feel it's down to the software but just saying if.
 
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Honestly, I'm still vastly tempted by this. Partly cause an 8120+AM3 mobo would be quite a bit cheaper than an i5 rig, partly cause these look like a lot more fun to overclock than Sandybridge chips, but mostly cause I think it's a good idea to stick up for the undergod. Besides, it'll deliver similar performance in most things, and since I can't afford a £300 graphics card I'll be GPU-limited in gaming anyway, so Bulldozer won't even get a chance to hold me back.

I did want an 8-core though, and I have no idea when people will get stock... Was supposed to build my new rig in September, I waited out of curiosity, and now October's half-gone and I'm still waiting! :( Very hard to resist throwing my hands in the air in exasperation and simply going for an i5!
 
gareth170 said:
if amd releases a new revision which fixs the performance i wonder if they would accept a rma of the buggy b2 chips?

personly i feel it's down to the software but just saying if.
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If the chips were knackered which prevented them performing, they wouldn't go on sale, as they would be defective.

Saying software is the problem isn't going to make a difference, it could be the problem, but acknowledging it isn't going to do anything.

manveruppd said:
Honestly, I'm still vastly tempted by this. Partly cause an 8120+AM3 mobo would be quite a bit cheaper than an i5 rig, partly cause these look like a lot more fun to overclock than Sandybridge chips, but mostly cause I think it's a good idea to stick up for the undergod. Besides, it'll deliver similar performance in most things, and since I can't afford a £300 graphics card I'll be GPU-limited in gaming anyway, so Bulldozer won't even get a chance to hold me back.

I did want an 8-core though, and I have no idea when people will get stock... Was supposed to build my new rig in September, I waited out of curiosity, and now October's half-gone and I'm still waiting! :( Very hard to resist throwing my hands in the air in exasperation and simply going for an i5!
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You'd need an AM3+ board.

An i5 2500k system and an AM3+ and 8120 are about the same price. I don't get where this cheaper stuff comes into it.

To be specific, the 2500k is 167, the 8120 is 167, and who knows when the 8120 will be in stock.



EDIT : When will people accept BD's performance? The majority of people never during the leaks (Which tbh, all look like they were legit) and even released you won't accept it, instead everything else but the chip is the problem.
 
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manveruppd said:
Honestly, I'm still vastly tempted by this. Partly cause an 8120+AM3 mobo would be quite a bit cheaper than an i5 rig, partly cause these look like a lot more fun to overclock than Sandybridge chips, but mostly cause I think it's a good idea to stick up for the undergod. Besides, it'll deliver similar performance in most things, and since I can't afford a £300 graphics card I'll be GPU-limited in gaming anyway, so Bulldozer won't even get a chance to hold me back.

I did want an 8-core though, and I have no idea when people will get stock... Was supposed to build my new rig in September, I waited out of curiosity, and now October's half-gone and I'm still waiting! :( Very hard to resist throwing my hands in the air in exasperation and simply going for an i5!
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Dont understand this logic. You are tempted to buy because its terrible?

Underdog or not, you can't polish a turd and I'm afraid thats what AMD have tried to do with this.
 
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