AMD Bulldozer Finally!

gareth170 · 22 Oct 2011 at 12:34

@mmj_uk, are you jealous or something, you have some serious issues, and yes now im getting angry

i clearly said i want to see how it does with my own software/encoding , no review sites as shown what im using and NO im not going around review sites asking could they do this could they do that.

also i said IF i'm not happy with it, i would return it. if iit does what i want it to in my own software/encoding then yes i would keep it.

SO JUST BACK OFF OK

Martini1991 · 22 Oct 2011 at 12:35

Also, review sites generally don't increase the CPU-NB, which contributes to performance.

LJK2190 · 22 Oct 2011 at 12:55

im purchasing a 8150 simply because, the cash isnt a concern of mine, my old system is out of service so-to-speak, i was heavily considering the six core & understand the review and performance test results & comparisons. But with the likes of windows 8 out next year and my reasons for needing the cores asap for my work, simply put im curious and willing to give it a go. (likewise ive never had an intel system, its just not for me)

Sin_Chase · 22 Oct 2011 at 12:56

gareth170 said:
yes u can . you go to a system that as the cpu in it

Tell me, which store could you walk into and run the encode batches you want to test in the apps you want to use?

Oh that's right - None.

How many stores would let you bounce the system into the BIOS and Overclock it.

Mhhhm - None again.

Online reviews have more data than you could ever hope to amass from in-store with solid test beds that CAN be compared to other test beds because they have been run in fixed environments (as fixed as they can be).

You want the CPU so you can say you got one, absolutely nothing to do with seeing if the 8150 is better for your needs. If that were the case you would wait for the patches/updates to hit and let another round of online testing occur. That or a revised stepping.

How will you get accurate and meaningful data in a 7 day period with unpatched/updated software/BIOSes? Are you going to buy another one after the patches and DSR that too if it makes no odds?

It's not like the 8150 can blow current other chips out of the water in encoding. You are using more power, generating more heat for an encode run that might finish a little earlier. Or, later. If you were getting a solid 30%+ increase in speed on encoding it might be worth it - if encoding was what you did all day. But those are not the numbers we are seeing. There is plenty of online data which pretty much confirms the following:

2600k Faster 1st pass
8150 Faster second pass.

Net result - Much of a muchness.

Why don't you let someone else get one and have them run the bench you want to run? It's not going to be that intricate is it?

Sin_Chase · 22 Oct 2011 at 12:57

LJK2190 said:
im purchasing a 8150 simply because, the cash isnt a concern of mine, my old system is out of service so-to-speak, i was heavily considering the six core & understand the review and performance test results & comparisons. But with the likes of windows 8 out next year and my reasons for needing the cores asap for my work, simply put im curious and willing to give it a go. (likewise ive never had an intel system, its just not for me)

But the 8150 blows even for heavily threaded applications so why bother? Just get a 980X or a 2600k if cash is of no concern and have solid performance.

Curious + Work Use = No sense

The launch 8150 will be redundant by the time Windows 8 hits mainstream.

LJK2190 · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:06

Hmm yeah, I see exactly what your saying & I cant argue with that

Harlequin · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:15

gareth - can trade for my 1090T (retail boxed) if you want

sunama · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:17

Sin_Chase said:
The launch 8150 will be redundant by the time Windows 8 hits mainstream.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

I believe W8 is due to launch in 1 year. So, in 1 year, there will be other CPUs around, which should offer greater performance.

To be honest, all this nonsense about Windows 8 and the FX CPU working better with Windows 8, is sheer speculation. My belief is that if you buy a product, buy something that works with products, straight out of the box. This is a no-brainer, given that there are similarly priced CPUs available, which offer great out of the box performance (ie. 2500k,2600k).

gareth170 · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:32

gareth170 said:
hi

i've been told to post my question here by StigBourne.

i have a AMD Bulldozer FX-8 Eight Core 8150 coming on monday, but i have a question if i open/use the 8150 and if im not happy with it, can i still send it back under DSR?

also what about the seal sticker? i wouldn't be able to open the box without breaking the seal

from ocuk

You have 7 days under DSR to notify us you do not want the product via our webnote system.

Aslong as there is no physical damage and is in a re sellable condition it will be accepted for a return.

Bailey

end of now

djkav · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:36

The 7 days for DSR only count WORKING days and NOT weekends or bank holidays.

So its really 9 days if you include weekends.

sunama · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:41

It would appear that there are many in here, who don't like the idea of Distance Selling Regulations.

I'll tell you what...those of you who don't like them, write to your MP and request that these rules be changed...otherwise, let it lie.

The most bizarre thing is that the regs have been put in place to protect the consumer...yet it is the consumers who seem to be complaining about them.

As I stated earlier, OCUK sell 1000s of products/day...possibly more than 10,000 products/day. I find it highly unlikely that they are going to be losing any sleep over 1 CPU that might be returned under the DSR.

Anyway Gareth, when you get the CPU, please inform us about how it compares with your existing CPU. I believe that you might be the first to post a review on these forums, so expect that thread to get VERY long.

Jokester · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:43

DSR makes products more expensive for the consumer.

djkav · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:49

gareth170 said:
fine fine....

it goes back unused....

personly i don't think it's wrong using DSR if u r not happy with the product or doesn't do what u would it to do ....

as i said i never asked if you guys if its morally wrong or not...

but hey i know now not to ask anything here again

The DSR is there to protect the consumer when buying things not in person. DSR does allow for testing of items, checking of items and any other reasons.

As long as its cared for, undamaged and resellable. Then there is no problem. Morals or no morals thats the legal stance of the DSR.

sunama · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:51

Jokester said:
DSR makes products more expensive for the consumer.

This is true. And what some retailers do is charge a re-stocking fee (if the item has been opened). Some retailers ask the buyer to bear all postage costs. This protects the retailer from taking a loss, due to DSR.

As a consumer, I would much rather have the DSR in place, than not in place. If I were a retailer, I would want to abolish the DSR.

LJK2190 · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:51

ive learnt more about DSR than CPU's in this thread i think xD

gareth170 · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:53

Sin_Chase said:
Tell me, which store could you walk into and run the encode batches you want to test in the apps you want to use?

Oh that's right - None.

How many stores would let you bounce the system into the BIOS and Overclock it.

Mhhhm - None again.

im sure ocuk would in store..

Sin_Chase said:
You want the CPU so you can say you got one, absolutely nothing to do with seeing if the 8150 is better for your needs. If that were the case you would wait for the patches/updates to hit and let another round of online testing occur. That or a revised stepping.

lol your so wrong, but hey think whatever u like..

Sin_Chase said:
How will you get accurate and meaningful data in a 7 day period with unpatched/updated software/BIOSes? Are you going to buy another one after the patches and DSR that too if it makes no odds?

i would be buying it as it is now. and no i wouldn't buy another one after the patches and DSR that

Sin_Chase said:
Why don't you let someone else get one and have them run the bench you want to run? It's not going to be that intricate is it?

because NOBODY AS THE SOFTWARE I USE such as software that control my house like doors, lights, ect which uses a lot of cpu power.. remember im disabled, i use some special software...... understand

djkav · 22 Oct 2011 at 13:57

sunama said:
This is true. And what some retailers do is charge a re-stocking fee (if the item has been opened).

Re-stocking fees under a return via DSR are illegal. A company is not allowed to charge you a restocking fee under DSR.

Also, the 7 day notice of return starts on the next working day AFTER the day of delivery. You then have 28 days to return the item after your notice of exercising your DSR rights.

gareth170 · 22 Oct 2011 at 14:01

sunama said:
This is true. And what some retailers do is charge a re-stocking fee (if the item has been opened). Some retailers ask the buyer to bear all postage costs. This protects the retailer from taking a loss, due to DSR.

As a consumer, I would much rather have the DSR in place, than not in place. If I were a retailer, I would want to abolish the DSR.

yeah if sent back under dsr the people as to pay the p&p to send it back

djkav · 22 Oct 2011 at 14:03

Jokester said:
DSR makes products more expensive for the consumer.

That maybe so, but how many online outfits would rip off the consumers without this protection. I know it places a burden on the honest traders like OCUK. There are some businesses out there who tarnish online trading and make consumers afraid.

manveruppd · 22 Oct 2011 at 14:28

djkav said:
That maybe so, but how many online outfits would rip off the consumers without this protection. I know it places a burden on the honest traders like OCUK. There are some businesses out there who tarnish online trading and make consumers afraid.

That's exactly it: when in doubt, the law should always side on the favour of the weakest, which in the retailer-consumer relationship is the consumer. I mean sending a CPU back Special Delivery is gonna cost a tenner or so, it's a small amount but not exactly throwaway, and it'd be much more for anything heavier - I can think of very few people that would willingly swallow shipping costs to- and fro- just to say they've owned something for a week! So I seriously doubt OCUK is losing that much money from DSR returns, and it protects the rest of us from scam artists.