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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Martini1991 said:
I have no idea what you're talking about?
AM3 high end boards already exist.
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You said, 'they already have' however I have yet to see how good BD clocks which is why I was asking if you had any information.

All I want to know is if an overclocked BD will outperform my 2600K on a 24/7 clock.
 
beh* said:
You said, 'they already have' however I have yet to see how good BD clocks which is why I was asking if you had any information.

All I want to know is if an overclocked BD will outperform my 2600K on a 24/7 clock.
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I said they already have, to high end boards.....
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The 45NM process used by AMD seems fine especially when you consider the number of transistors and die size the Phenom II has.
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No. Comparatively speaking it's absolutely awful.

No advanced clock-gating, no high k metal gate, no lots-of-other-things-that-I've-forgotten. It's practically prehistoric compared to Intel's early 45nm process chips, let alone later steppings and revisions or worse still Gulftown / Sandy Bridge. It's pretty miraculous that they're as competitive as they are.

Bulldozer & Llano will be a gigantic change in this regard.
 
The last time amd had a big change it came out with the athlon which gave intel a good kick up the backside for a while.

Though i doubt this will happen now, it will however be interesting.
 
Well we already know it's faster than Sandy. If these chips overclock like a demon then we may see a mass migration to AMD!
 
Im more curious how it scales the number of cores.

That's how they beat nvidia and could be the same this time round, going for power no matter if it takes more cores.
 
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Ive not used an AMD since my old athlon 4k+ single core , getting quite keen to see these babies as im planning a new pc build pretty soon.
 
Do any of you know what new technologies have been implemented in BD that makes it perform better than phenom II hex other than going from 45nm to 32nm???
 
pspcpog said:
Do any of you know what new technologies have been implemented in BD that makes it perform better than phenom II hex other than going from 45nm to 32nm???
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It's a totally new architecture with lots of changes. AnandTech did a pretty thorough preview of the design.
 
Prices are out for them now. CHEAP!!!!
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I would guess by that then that they are not any better than the intels so are competeing on price, back when AMD did have the fastest processor the last FX series like the fx60 was £600 and thats going back a few years now. It seems who ever has the crown of fastest cpu charge silly money for them be it Intel or AMD. Most people just buy the slower clocked parts and overclock them to the top of the range speeds and more. Its a nice feeling to think you spend £200 on a cpu and its faster than the £800 chips which is no different just has an unlocked multi.
 
pmc25 said:
No. Comparatively speaking it's absolutely awful.

No advanced clock-gating, no high k metal gate, no lots-of-other-things-that-I've-forgotten. It's practically prehistoric compared to Intel's early 45nm process chips, let alone later steppings and revisions or worse still Gulftown / Sandy Bridge. It's pretty miraculous that they're as competitive as they are.

Bulldozer & Llano will be a gigantic change in this regard.
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Intel are using a 45NM bulk process compared to a 45NM SOI process which AMD are using. Intel considered using SOI with planar transistors for their 22NM process but instead decided to use finfets on a 22NM bulk process since they consider this will have larger improvements at low voltages. AMD and Nvidia GPUs are manufactured using bulk processes too (40NM ATM and 28NM at the end of the year or early next year).

Bulk and SOI are two different processes. Intel has more experience working with bulk processes whereas AMD has generally had more experience with SOI(they are part of the SOI consortium with IBM,TSMC, GlobalFoundries,ARM and quite a few other companies).

The Phenom II X6 with just over 900 million transistors and a massive die is still hitting similar clockspeeds and TDP levels to the socket 1366 quad cores which have well under 780 million transistors.
 
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Danfoss2011 said:
Prices are out for them now. CHEAP!!!!
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Yeah if your in a position to buy them in 1000s :)
Thought it was worked out that the 8xxxP was gonna be a little bit more expensive than a 2600K?
So people going obviously they cant compete on performance so they're competing in price is kind of confusing to me? They're competing in price by making them more expensive?
Unless of course which is possible I suppose your party to a different price list.
 
Yeah if your in a position to buy them in 1000s
Thought it was worked out that the 8xxxP was gonna be a little bit more expensive than a 2600K?
So people going obviously they cant compete on performance so they're competing in price is kind of confusing to me? They're competing in price by making them more expensive?
Unless of course which is possible I suppose your party to a different price list.
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Except maybe your comparing it to the wrong cpu, the 2600k is not the top of the line Intel cpu the 990x is at £800+
 
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