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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

qbazdz said:
I didn't really like the $350 price tag....
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It's not so bad, that model is their 2600K beater. Their 2500K equivalent that will likely be the enthusiasts choice is the 3 module/hex core.

The pricing reveals that they are confident about the performance.
 
hux said:
Well amd can be sneaky, they caught nvidia off guard after all.
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Not selling a product isn't sneaky. By coming out and saying that yep, BD is ready but we're going to focus on making Llano because it'll make us more money is fair enough. But then failing actually to show how BD performs is a marketing catastrophe and just adds credence to the multiple reports floating about that it just isn't quick enough in it's current guise to complete with SB so they're doing a respin.

It doesn't take that long just to make a few tens of thousands of chips if BD is actually any good to stoke up interest for 2-3months down the line when they ramp up production proper.
 
Perhaps bd will scale better than intels offerings.

Not thinking of now, more into the future when multi core will play more of a part.

True not showing bd is bit of a fail, and does hint that it's not up to speed, we'll see what happens when e3 gets going.

Martini1991 said:
Different scenario really.
AMD's strategy is "THROW CORES AT IT"
Fine for GPU's, not for CPU's (At present)
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Jokester said:
Not selling a product isn't sneaky. By coming out and saying that yep, BD is ready but we're going to focus on making Llano because it'll make us more money is fair enough. But then failing actually to show how BD performs is a marketing catastrophe and just adds credence to the multiple reports floating about that it just isn't quick enough in it's current guise to complete with SB so they're doing a respin.

It doesn't take that long just to make a few tens of thousands of chips if BD is actually any good to stoke up interest for 2-3months down the line when they ramp up production proper.
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as much as i have a skinking feeling about BD, i really hope you wrong - i want amd to bring something good to the table...
 
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Jokester said:
Yeah, I'm inclined to think that a failure even to paper launch a product that according to AMD is ready is a very bad sign.
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From a marketing perspective, sure. But all the evidence points to the contrary.

AMD have not put out a chip more expensive than Intel's for quite some time now, they're well-acquainted with the budget sector of the market as their chips have been designed and aggressively priced for it both for the actual chip and the chipset.

Thus, they know that they cannot put out their flagship Bulldozer chip and ask for more money than Intel unless the performance really is noticeably better. The fact that their pricing shows that they are charging more is a very explicit suggestion that their chips bench better.

Failure to launch is terrible, no argument from me there. And I've no doubt there are a few hot-under-the-collar execs stampeding around conference rooms looking for asses to kick as a result, but if AMD had pushed BD despite the current performance issues they've cited, they'd be on a truly catastrophic footing. A couple of months delay is to ensure that their pricing is truly reflective of their chip's performance-to-price ratio.

A marketing snafu does not warrant writing off of the chip, especially when 99% of information out there on it is pure speculation.
 
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