AMD CES 2018

[Freddie1980]

I'm personally optimistic about AMD GPU's.

Yea Vega is basically like the FX series of CPU's.

But, prior to rRzen no one gave AMD a hope to pull off what they did with Ryzen.

Presumably Ryzen will take care of it's self over the next 3-4 years so if they can divert all those resources that made Ryzen a good product towards Radeon GPU's then I am optimistic they can make a good GPU series in the next 1-2 years.

The only issue with that is the problem AMD faces in the respective markets. With it's CPU's AMD had a hardware problem, with it's GPU's they have a software problem that's not easy to work around other then encouraging developers to use lower level API's. What they really need is a new front end which allows them to write drivers to force games to take advantage of it's hardware, the problem there is that's complicated and resource heavy i.e costs money which AMD just can't afford or won't do at the moment.

 

[ubersonic]

Presumably Ryzen will take care of it's self over the next 3-4 years so if they can divert all those resources that made Ryzen a good product towards Radeon GPU's then I am optimistic they can make a good GPU series in the next 1-2 years.

The obvious problem is, that statement is basically a gender swapped comment from half a decade ago lol, back then it was common to see stuff like:

Presumably Radeon will take care of it's self over the next 3-4 years so if they can divert all those resources that made the HD7000 a good product towards new CPU's then I am optimistic they can make a good CPU series in the next 1-2 years.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

There is another Vega based card being released this year - interestingly a midrange part with 64 ROPS. All AMD midrange cards have had 32 ROPS,so it makes me wonder whether they are rebalanced internally.

Vega 11 (i think), supposed to be the 480s replacement.

 

[Freddie1980]

Vega 11 (i think), supposed to be the 480s replacement.

Vega 11 is going to be a mobile/APU part. Remember the number refers to the number of CU's on the chip, there's not way 11 CU's could do the same job as a RX 480/580.

Source

It will be a while until AMD gives us a proper replacement for Polaris 10 IMO, maybe 2019, Vega is just to expensive and difficult to produce it seems there's no way they could make enough for the mid range market.

 

[melmac]

To offset the fact it requires a separate small generator to run the card?

Yeah, Vega 64 needs a small generator to run it, so small in fact that it only needs to match the power output of a 650Watt PSU.

 

[melmac]

Vega 11 (i think), supposed to be the 480s replacement.

Great, another GPU for miners to buy!!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Vega 11 is going to be a mobile/APU part. Remember the number refers to the number of CU's on the chip, there's not way 11 CU's could do the same job as a RX 480/580.

Source

It will be a while until AMD gives us a proper replacement for Polaris 10 IMO, maybe 2019, Vega is just to expensive and difficult to produce it seems there's no way they could make enough for the mid range market.

https://videocardz.com/74712/amd-finally-announces-discrete-mobile-radeon-vega

Look at the article,everything indicates this is the Vega based dGPU used by Intel but in a separate package. Going by history eventually AMD will offer this on desktop - it was the same for Tonga which was first used exclusively by Apple in iMacs,or even the RX460 which apparently was primarily developed for Apple too(it is a very thin chip and it seems Apple was the biggest adopter of it in laptops and probably the first). Intel also released performance figures too. The top variant runs at 1063MHZ~1190MHZ,has 1536 shaders,64 ROPS and one stack of HBM2. It seems to be slightly faster than the GTX1060 Max-Q(Intel figures so will need to see if it holds up),but comparable to a desktop RX470/RX570(even though the TDP is a fraction of that GPU) even though it has less bandwidth and less theoretical TFLOPs,so it makes me wonder what a desktop version with higher clockspeeds and more bandwidth would achieve. That also assumes the 1536 shader figure is actually all the shaders the chip has,ie,whether Intel has disabled CUs so it can fit into a specific TDP.

Interestingly enough the 32 ROP version is significantly slower.

 

[Rroff]

Vega 11 is going to be a mobile/APU part. Remember the number refers to the number of CU's on the chip, there's not way 11 CU's could do the same job as a RX 480/580.

In this case the 11 he was referring to is the supposed Vega 10, 11 and 20 variants which confusingly are the core variants not the model variants where the 56, etc. does correspond to the CUs.

 

[shankly1985]

 

[humbug]

Yeah even Intel are using the Radeon branding on products with it they are pushing.

Its all a bit freaky

 

[Glaucus]

Have you seen how small the intel package is. Itsinsane and the devices look equally insane.
I want benchmarks. All I've heard is just below 1050 performance, which is fine by me (run a gtx 280 ATM anything will beat that) as it comes in essentially ultra book format.

 

[jigger]

Will be intersting to see how these perform and what they cost.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Have you seen how small the intel package is. Itsinsane and the devices look equally insane.
I want benchmarks. All I've heard is just below 1050 performance, which is fine by me (run a gtx 280 ATM anything will beat that) as it comes in essentially ultra book format.

https://videocardz.com/74631/intel-launches-8th-gen-core-processor-with-radeon-rx-vega-
graphics
https://videocardz.com/74640/intel-8th-gen-core-with-radeon-rx-vega-gpu-presentation-leaked

Intel says the top end SKU will have performance more akin to a GTX1060 Max-Q.

 

[Glaucus]

https://videocardz.com/74631/intel-launches-8th-gen-core-processor-with-radeon-rx-vega-
graphics
https://videocardz.com/74640/intel-8th-gen-core-with-radeon-rx-vega-gpu-presentation-leaked

Intel says the top end SKU will have performance more akin to a GTX1060 Max-Q.

Omg,who wants to give me about £1600 for the HP. I'm guessing that's roughly what it'll be. Want 4k though so maybe more like 2k.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Omg,who wants to give me about £1600 for the HP. I'm guessing that's roughly what it'll be. Want 4k though so maybe more like 2k.

Even the lower end version according to Intel is faster than a mobile GTX1050.

 

[AlamoX]

Have you seen how small the intel package is. Itsinsane and the devices look equally insane.
I want benchmarks. All I've heard is just below 1050 performance, which is fine by me (run a gtx 280 ATM anything will beat that) as it comes in essentially ultra book format.

now you see SPECTRE and you think of a security Flaw, unfortunate timing for HP

 

[AlamoX]

Yeah even Intel are using the Radeon branding on products with it they are pushing.

Its all a bit freaky

well intel is intel, and vega is rtg not amd, so it all makes sense, beside amd have to use intel brand, it's the strongest on that list.

 

[jigger]

well intel is intel, and vega is rtg not amd, so it all makes sense, beside amd have to use intel brand, it's the strongest on that list.

Well Radeon is the GPU/APU graphics card wing of AMD, but I bet a AMD are super happy not to have an AMD badge associated with Intel for the next year or so.

 

[pete910]

now you see SPECTRE and you think of a security Flaw, unfortunate timing for HP

That was first thing I thought, seriously unlucky!

 

[Freddie1980]

Well Radeon is the GPU/APU graphics card wing of AMD, but I bet a AMD are super happy not to have an AMD badge associated with Intel for the next year or so.

In hindsight I suspect the whole RTG separation from AMD thing was to allow this partnership with Intel to happen. Maybe Intel said 'we want your graphics so long as it's not branded AMD' and as a result RTG was born (they should have taken the opportunity to ditch the 'Radeon' which sounds like a box of detergent).