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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

Dave2150 said:
Doesn't have enough cores to beat ADL in vast majority of benchmarks. Would need a 5950X with 3d cache for that, which is not being released.
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It is gaming cpu, people buy performance in games not cores. And those crap e-cores from Intel actually decrease gaming performance so not needed for gamers.
 
Curlyriff said:
With that the 5800x3D needs to be priced no more than about £380 right now and yeah we all know it won't it won't anything like that.
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If AMD is marketing this as a gaming-only chip (as apposed to the "no-compromises" previous flagship 5950X) they will need to price it accordingly. Intel's 12900K is the fastest gaming CPU at the moment and it also delivers top-tier productivity performance. (The 12900KS will probably take the same approach)

If I were Intel, I would bin an 8 P-core-only part and see how that stacks up when an entire power budget is dumped into 8 P-cores.

Looking at the Zen 3 prices recently, it does appear that AMD is aware of and responding to the competition. This gives me some hope that AMD will base the price of the 5800X3D on how it performs vs the competition.
 
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Curlyriff said:
You can get the 5800x from £292 brand new and it is at most £330 from normal every day big brand locations. Don't post such stupid rubbish when q basic Google search takes a few seconds.

With that the 5800x3D needs to be priced no more than about £380 right now and yeah we all know it won't it won't anything like that.
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Am I the only one quietly hopeful that it will release at the 5800x price point and everything else will move down a price band? That should keep Intel sweating until the next wave of releases.
 
SilverCider said:
Am I the only one quietly hopeful that it will release at the 5800x price point and everything else will move down a price band? That should keep Intel sweating until the next wave of releases.
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Not the only one, I would like that too, although I think there is more chance of Lisa Su doing a playboy centerfold :D
 
Beginning to be less interested in the 3D cache for myself and would rather snag a 5900X stepping B2, I wonder if we will be able to determine which is which ?

Will save the 3d cache for Zen 4 in a few years.
 
Twinz said:
If AMD is marketing this as a gaming-only chip (as apposed to the "no-compromises" previous flagship 5950X) they will need to price it accordingly. Intel's 12900K is the fastest gaming CPU at the moment and it also delivers top-tier productivity performance. (The 12900KS will probably take the same approach)

If I were Intel, I would bin an 8 P-core-only part and see how that stacks up when an entire power budget is dumped into 8 P-cores.

Looking at the Zen 3 prices recently, it does appear that AMD is aware of and responding to the competition. This gives me some hope that AMD will base the price of the 5800X3D on how it performs vs the competition.
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If Intel want to push gaming performance I’d imagine Intels Arc graphics cards will have been well optimised for 16-24 cores. RDNA2 and presumably RDNA3 are pretty CPU agnostic, but they do scale very well with cores in most engines. Intel will have to compete with RDNA and Zen, and the largest market for Arc graphics will a Zen platform.
Looking at the top half of Intel’s current product stack (top 7) the average core count is 15.7c compared to AMD’s 10.5c
 
SilverCider said:
Am I the only one quietly hopeful that it will release at the 5800x price point and everything else will move down a price band? That should keep Intel sweating until the next wave of releases.
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Honestly yeah but if you mean the MSRP price point that is £420 and that too much in my opinion. If you take the current price point as average as £320 then yeah that would be great but it just isn' going to happen in the current market situation we have.
 
SilverCider said:
Am I the only one quietly hopeful that it will release at the 5800x price point and everything else will move down a price band? That should keep Intel sweating until the next wave of releases.
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I think you'll be lucky to see it under £450, personally I'm thinking it will be £500+ and be produced very small quantities so will carry a limited edition price tag.
 
B2 stepping for the 5000 series looks great, would love a way to buy the new stepping directly

Ryzen 5000 B2 stepping has lower consumption and lower temperatures (guru3d.com)

AMD released the latest Stepping B2 version of their Ryzen 5000 CPUs, including manufacturing advancements garnered during the last few months, resulting in more efficient work, lower consumption, and thus lower temperatures.

According to overclocker Shamino's tests, these new CPUs have comparable overclocking capabilities to the Stepping B0, reaching 5.15GHz, but has 30W lower power consumption, allowing them to operate at a 9°C cooler temperature. Shamino also observed enhancements to the memory controller, allowing for the stable usage of 4100MHz memories, something that previously required numerous manual tweaks to work on CPUs with Stepping B0, indicating that these CPUs have several upgrades.

At the moment, AMD is manufacturing all CPUs under Stepping B2, but they have not yet been distributed to all retailers, thus purchasing a new Ryzen 5000 does not guarantee that it will have this updated Stepping. If you purchase one, you will receive all of these benefits, thus you may want to wait a few weeks before purchasing a CPU with this new Stepping.
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Journey said:
I hate myself for link WCCF, but they stole the story from else where but interesting to see that more people are seeing B2 revision SKU's turning up in the wild now.

AMD Ryzen 5000 ‘Zen 3’ B2 Stepping Tested: CPUs Offer Lower Temperatures, Lower Power Consumption, Stable Boost Clocks & Better DDR4 Support

Just shows what a small stepping difference can make.
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That's got nothing to do with stepping. Fools at wccftech cant understand that the 5900 b2 is actually an oem only part which is a 5900 pro not a X. 5900 pro has 65w and its got lower base and boost clocks than the 5900x.
 
AMD are shifting everything from 7nm to 6nm, Ryzen 5000 CPU's, Consoles, GPU's, the lot....

There is a 6nm RX 6950XT coming, its clocked significantly higher than the 7nm RX 6900XT.

6nm is better than 7nm, its a different node, its stands to reason power consumption is down and possibly higher clocks.
 
humbug said:
AMD are shifting everything from 7nm to 6nm, Ryzen 5000 CPU's, Consoles, GPU's, the lot....

There is a 6nm RX 6950XT coming, its clocked significantly higher than the 7nm RX 6900XT.

6nm is better than 7nm, its a different node, its stands to reason power consumption is down and possibly higher clocks.
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the 6950xt thing is still just a rumour, but it would be an interesting product if amd wants to delay RDNA3 and needs a stop gap or even as Lisa likes to do, sell it as a one off batch limited edition model to clear 6nm wafer inventory it doesn't need
 
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