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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

The last level 1 techs roundtable talked about overclocking and cpu`s. The consensus was simple - it isnt rally worthwhile in 2021. The why? The chip ramp up anyway with quality cooling within the auto overclocking tables anyway; thats both Intel and AMD.
 
Harlequin said:
The last level 1 techs roundtable talked about overclocking and cpu`s. The consensus was simple - it isnt rally worthwhile in 2021. The why? The chip ramp up anyway with quality cooling within the auto overclocking tables anyway; thats both Intel and AMD.
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My tweaked 5800X gets 10% better performance than stock whilst running much cooler and quieter thanks to PBO and CO. I'll take that and find some way to live with the fact that some random gonk on Youtube said it wasn't worth doing.
 
To be honest the overclocking thing is really a non issue. I used to overclock all my intel chips as they would offer decent rewards for doing so, however I haven't touched even PBO on my 3700X as the effort required to do so for no real tangible benefit isn't worth it. I guess some might moan but if the performance is there why does it matter? I guess the proof will be in the reviews. Personally I am stoked at the price drops incoming and it looks as though I will be able to pick up a 5900X brand new for around £350 in a few months which will allow me to sit out the first gen Zen 4's
 
PBO is useful, but you could interpret it as AMD being confident it beats the competition comfortably at stock in gaming, which is the primary purpose of this chip.

It may only be a temporary thing as well whilst they iron out some issues.
 
Ayahuasca said:
PBO is useful, but you could interpret it as AMD being confident it beats the competition comfortably at stock in gaming, which is the primary purpose of this chip.

It may only be a temporary thing as well whilst they iron out some issues.
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AMD took the gaming crown (confidently) with Zen 3 *and* allow overclocking on those parts.

Not allowing overclocking seems more like a lack of confidence in the durability of the part. While PBO is not covered under warranty, AMD doesn't really know if it has been used and seem to have satisfactory failure rates in the wild even though they don't know who and who isn't running PBO.

With the 5800X3D, they don't seem willing to take the same risk.

At least they have dropped pricing on the existing parts to be more competitive.
 
random_matt said:
Clearly runs too hot.
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It's looking that way, AMD's Robert Hallock said in an interview when this CPU was announced not to worry about the slightly lower clockspeeds as you can always overclock it. If this is true and they are removing this option then it leads me to believe there are issues.
 
Probably getting crap bins so they could be doing this as safety measure as overclocking might push thermals too far.

Shame as would have been nice to recover those lower clocks from regular 5800X at least.
 
PBO overclocking is a bad idea on a 5800X anyway, i know some reviewers do it but its idiotic as the extra heat actually reduces clocks, anyone who knows anything about Zen 3 knows to use Curve Optimiser tuning for the 5800X, you get the best results doing that.

Removing PBO overclocking is probably a good thing, too many idiotic reviewers use it to try and overclock and then present it as slower.
 
I remember people saying that the lower clocks were just to keep the cores and cache under the original TDP limit and we would get the clock speed back with a simple overclock.

Now that that isn't happening, people are saying we don't need the clock speed anyway.

Whatever AMD does is great, and if it isn't, some will find a way to rationalize it as great anyway.

If the part performs well for the price, great. I am still running AMD in my newest rigs and the recent price cuts may get them another CPU purchase out of me.

However, I'm not going to spin bad news for them. Even if the vcache ends up being a net gain, the clock speed regression and and a lack of headroom shows that there are still engineering trade-offs with this new tech.
 
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