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AMD: DisplayPort 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 in 2016 Radeon GPUs, First FreeSync Over HDMI Monitors

That is one thing that I'm not quite sure about, we all understand that smoothing out movies could be a great idea. But the standard for movies is 24fps which is below just about every freesync monitors range, so until now with the LFC how would it of worked ?
 
Freesync can go down to 9fps, video content won't need that big an upper range. Japanese TV does some broadcasting in 60fps other than that not sure what else, apart from HFR movies like The Hobbit.

A lot of TVs have already had 24fps mode for years now, I suppose this would be the evolution of that. Maybe it's a case of build it and the content will come? I wonder what a 24fps movie would look like using a variable framerate for action scenes.
 
Freesync can only go down to 9fps if either the panel supports it OR by using frame interpolation... TV panels often run at either 60 or 120hz, and frame interpolation is what they already use as well - either without processing and just replicating the same frame a number of times, or by trying to process and create new frames using an average between the two (which with 24fps movies that have blurred images looks awful as you get loads of artefacts)

the only time freesync would be of any use would be when playing movies on a PC hooked up to a TV, which is a bit pointless when you can just hook your TV up to the network and play the movie directly on the TV to get around those same problems
 
As someone who own asn Nvidia card currently... well done AMD. Now they have extra options for their freesync as well as freesync monitors cheaper than G-sync monitors. All we need is to ensure a good fps/Hz range over which the Freesync works, some good monitor prices and my next card will be an AMD one (currently at 1080p60 no Free/G-sync, so a monitor upgrade will also be required). If Nvidia want to keep me around, they need to pull off something good. Something as simple as... more affordable G-sync monitors perhaps (the good ones with 1440p/120Hz/IPS/extra HDMI ports)?
 
andybird123 said:
the only time freesync would be of any use would be when playing movies on a PC hooked up to a TV, which is a bit pointless when you can just hook your TV up to the network and play the movie directly on the TV to get around those same problems
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Nope, nope

My TV is hooked up to pc and watching highest quality bluray and audio powered by my sound card.. Over network I would loose loads image quality and sound quality.
 
without going in to details on your sound setup, how would you lose image quality exactly?
(my TV does 5.1 via ARC to my sound system, and if I were to use my PC it would be optical or HDMI to the same sound system so...)

TV's already do frame insertion and its a digital file, it doesn't degrade by playing it on the TV vs. playing it on the PC, unless you just have a cheap TV, which wouldn't be the target for freesync anyway, they would be adding it to the mid-high end TV's just like they've mostly been targeting "gaming" monitors
 
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without going in to details on your sound setup, how would you lose image quality exactly?
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Because a network streaming just can't match the Bit rate of a bluray..

Clearly mistaken... I bet you one them guys that think a bluray rip from the Internet is same quality as the disk version..

When files are streaming over network or Internet they loose quality. The Bit rate becomes lower and you get blocky image..

Steaming is great don't get me wrong but it's got nothing on the raw data.
 
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HD blu ray is 32Mbit/s... how slow is your network exactly?

I've got full blu rays on my NAS and my TV plays them just fine over the network
though mostly if I'm playing discs I use my blu-ray player anyway
 
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andybird123 said:
why would you play a blu ray on your PC when you have a blu ray player under your TV?
blu ray is 32Mbit/s... how slow is your network exactly?
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Couple reasons, sound card, and GPU processing. My other bluray player is ps4 and it doesn't compare too having it all come through PC..

Again personal preference.. No right or wrong.. But don't be fooled into thinking streaming is same has raw data.

Network is all 1gb
 
I would say you are in a minority then - a minority so small that TV makers won't bother adding cost of freesync for - the vast majority playing blu-rays will have a proper blu ray player

I can't think of anything your GPU is doing that a decent TV wouldn't be doing on it's own anyway

I never said anything about streaming, my TV is accessing the files directly, so if its full blu ray content then its full blu ray content, it going over the network doesn't change that
 
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Monitor production will be lower than TV production, why is there more FS panels than GS considering AMD have the minority of the market?

What's the added cost of a FS Scaler andy?

Imagine it's getting absorbed with progression as shown on FS monitors.

When it's movie time, sound output is 5.1 via PC, TV's only used for vid output only and I don't want more clutter with amps/bluray etc under the TV(as it's full of consoles underneath).

If FS arrives on large panel TV's(and I tend to stick to Samsung), I'll be looking at going back to AMD.:eek::D
 
I don't have my PC in the living room, my perception is that most people don't, I can see why those that do would maybe want FS, but as its such a niche I can't see the TV makers wanting to give up even a few dollars per set except on the very high end ones anyway - and if people are avoiding the cost of a blu ray player for the sake of using their PC, are they going to want to spend £2-3k on a TV, when there are £1k TV's and £150 BR-players?

I have tried HTPC and I get much better results just giving my TV direct access to the content itself particularly in the case of a £2-3k TV
 
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I would say you are in a minority then - a minority so small that TV makers won't bother adding cost of freesync for - the vast majority playing blu-rays will have a proper blu ray player

I can't think of anything your GPU is doing that a decent TV wouldn't be doing on it's own anyway

I never said anything about streaming, my TV is accessing the files directly, so if its full blu ray content then its full blu ray content, it going over the network doesn't change that
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When you say accessing directly, is this content you ripped in raw format or compressed rips you downloaded?
 
andybird123 said:
I would say you are in a minority then - a minority so small that TV makers won't bother adding cost of freesync for - the vast majority playing blu-rays will have a proper blu ray player

I can't think of anything your GPU is doing that a decent TV wouldn't be doing on it's own anyway

I never said anything about streaming, my TV is accessing the files directly, so if its full blu ray content then its full blu ray content, it going over the network doesn't change that
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Am not talking about freesync TV lol and if you think frame interpolation is the same has amd fluid motion you be wrong.
TV frame interpolation is still running at 24fps but it helps to remove motion judder. Am sure the bluray player in my pc is a proper player lol

So a standalone player is the only way?

30fps to 60fps is night and day. Watch video above.
 
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yes that AMD fluid motion is still frame interpolation, most decent TV's have a frame processing thing that does the same
Samsung call it AutoMotion+ and LG call it TruMotion... it creates "soap opera effect" and most AV fans say to turn it off when watching blu rays

I tried SVP as a go around for playing 24fps content on a PC (as it creates frame skipping) but again, watching content via the TV keeps it smooth via 3:2 pulldown which works a whole lot better than image processing
 
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andybird123 said:
yes that AMD fluid motion is still frame interpolation, most decent TV's have a frame processing thing that does the same
Samsung call it AutoMotion+ and LG call it TruMotion... it creates "soap opera effect" and most AV fans say to turn it off when watching blu rays
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Yeah but for the last time it's still running 24fps not 60fps.

I have tested this my TV frame interpolation 400hz vs amd fluid motion 60fps night and day.
 
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