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It doesn't matter shanks, you can't take 24fps blu ray content and have it magically be 60fps, it's processing, it doesn't matter if the GPU does it or the TV's processor does it
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AMD: DisplayPort 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 in 2016 Radeon GPUs, First FreeSync Over HDMI Monitors
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I rember you saying the same thing about monitor FS, ~6 months after debut, scaler costs been absorbed, you think Sammsungs going to sit back and let LG run with an extra tick box feature-I don't think so, all it takes is one player to introduce TV FS.
The problem with what a lot of people are calling the 'soap opera effect' is actually problems when 24 fps content is poorly interpolated to a non multiple of 24. such as 24 - 60 fps. 24hz - 400hz etc.
I saw this a lot when using Smooth Video Project on my 60hz monitor. but things look perfect and nice at 144hz. My LG TV also has a refresh of 72hz for normal tv content.
I saw this a lot when using Smooth Video Project on my 60hz monitor. but things look perfect and nice at 144hz. My LG TV also has a refresh of 72hz for normal tv content.
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ok, so... a 21.5" LG Monitor, £60-70... AOC 21.5" Freesync monitor, £99.95
and so on
no they have not been "absorbed", like for like they are either more expensive, or they are a "premium" or "gamer" monitor, which is exactly what I said when people started saying the freesync would be on "every" monitor or that it would be "free"
and that is even on monitors, which stand a much higher chance of being used on a PC than a TV, and then trim off nvidia PC users, the market for an AMD TV is so incredibly niche to TV makers that I can't see it being on anything other than their top end TV's - the hardware cost of a DP port is pretty minimal and only Panasonic even bothered with that and even they've stopped now iirc.
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But anything marketed as 'Gamer' already has a price premium and generally has better specs and features than a generic display to begin with. When they say that freesync will not add to the overall cost, that is due to generic ASIC scalars that support FS being used that can be mass produced. Rather than the FPGA method that Nvidia still use as far as i am aware.
IF the current consoles are capable of FSR over HDMI, then i can see the feature being adopted. Considering that AMD own the console market.
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It's AMD, they probably haven't thought of revising the spec to include FS if it isn't already there, the consoles usually get updated during their life span.
Add FS to consoles and imo it's game over with the GS premium, as TV FS would go through the roof and Nvidia would have to adopt into it.
Comparing LG v AOC
LG 34UM65-P(non FS) is the same price as the FS LG 34" 34UM67, sole inclusion is FS?
Where's the FS premium gone?
Perhaps it's just a case that someone@LG forgot to mention that it should carry a premium and not be free, idk do you?
Add FS to consoles and imo it's game over with the GS premium, as TV FS would go through the roof and Nvidia would have to adopt into it.
Comparing LG v AOC
LG 34UM65-P(non FS) is the same price as the FS LG 34" 34UM67, sole inclusion is FS?
Where's the FS premium gone?
Perhaps it's just a case that someone@LG forgot to mention that it should carry a premium and not be free, idk do you?
So much FUD... freesync is already proven to add 0 extra cost when it came out and identical panels with/without had no price difference.
And as for "freesync only supports 9hz if the panel does"... you don't say? We were talking about hypothetical future models. Downplay downplay downplay.
And as for "freesync only supports 9hz if the panel does"... you don't say? We were talking about hypothetical future models. Downplay downplay downplay.
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When it was coming out we was told it'd be a 10-15 dollar addition at most.
G-sync can carry as much as a 200 quid premium on a 1000 quid panel thats what a 1/5 of the cost. Terrible.
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It's AMD, they probably haven't thought of revising the spec to include FS if it isn't already there, the consoles usually get updated during their life span.
Add FS to consoles and imo it's game over with the GS premium, as TV FS would go through the roof and Nvidia would have to adopt into it.
Comparing LG v AOC
LG 34UM65-P(non FS) is the same price as the FS LG 34" 34UM67, sole inclusion is FS?
Where's the FS premium gone?
Perhaps it's just a case that someone@LG forgot to mention that it should carry a premium and not be free, idk do you?
Because wide-screen monitors are already "premium". /facepalm
AOC 21.5" 1080p monitor £72, with freesync £99.95
Is that better?
Quick tell AOC, as their freesync monitors are 1/4 more
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LoL, good one.
Last time I checked there were many components inside each console, AMD only make a couple of them.
The names on the outsides of the consoles are Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, certainly not AMD.
If AMD want Freesync in consoles they will have to go to Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo and beg them to include it, which of course they will have nointerest in doing as you cannot get a TV with Freesync at the moment, so there is next to no market for it except thee few who might use a monitor.
Bottom line it is not going to happen, not for this generation of consoles anyway.
But he GSync premium has nothing to do with the cost of Gsync. Some people really can't understand cost vs value. The market is dictating the value of gsync. The GSync hardware cost vs Freesync scaler is basically irrelevant.
Oh, thank you for your insightfulness. The last i heard the GPU's in all of the consoles were produced by AMD. I never realised that the numerous other components in the system were directly involved in graphics rendering and display output.
And considering that the current crop of consoles can't hold a stable FPS, i think the console makes would be wanting to push the feature if the consoles are capable.
Plus like with any technology, the TV makers have to produce them. Redundant argument to say that something wont get implemented because something doesn't yet exist. you need the thing to exist for implementation.
In all my days here, that's got to be the most pathetic excuse to skipping past the question-which you aluded to answer as ZERO increase in cost, adding the /facepalm on the end, well it just goes to show your discombobulated views on FS!Better yes, however, there was less than a tenner in it@launch, maybe you were right and the scaler cost exponentially went through the roof, maybe it's gouging, however, it's 100% guaranteed the scaler does not cost >£27.95 extra, the probability is it's pence.
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No, not better. The £72 model is 60hz and has vga and dvi inputs only along with a 5ms response rate. The £99.95 model is 75hz, upgrade, has vga, dvi and displayport, upgrade, and a 1ms response time, upgrade.
It's a dramatically different screen and for less than £30 you get freesync, an extra input, a faster panel and better response time. But yeah, just pretend it's the 'same' screen because it's the same size and the cost difference is all down to freesync.
Seriously, is it not embarrassing trying to pretend freesync costs loads extra when there are numerous cases of an actually identical model costing the same price with or without freesync.
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No, I've been very consistent on my views on freesync.
When freesync was announced people said that; gsync was as good as dead, that "every" new monitor would come with freesync and that freesync would be free.
Gsync is not dead, freesync is not on every monitor and freesync is not free. Having to either pay £20-40 extra for the same monitor WITH freesync is not free, and neither is having to buy a £350-£800 monitor to get freesync. None of that is free.
People were saying that loads of monitors were going to get updates to enable freesync... That never happened.
I never said that a £500 monitor would become a £550 monitor just because of freesync, what I said was that a £100 monitor wouldn't stay a £100 monitor, which is true in the case of the AOC's which are the only baseline models available. What I also said is that the only models that could eat the extra cost would be the premium models, the ones where they do add the extra features each year to maintain the premium price point.
When freesync was announced people said that; gsync was as good as dead, that "every" new monitor would come with freesync and that freesync would be free.
Gsync is not dead, freesync is not on every monitor and freesync is not free. Having to either pay £20-40 extra for the same monitor WITH freesync is not free, and neither is having to buy a £350-£800 monitor to get freesync. None of that is free.
People were saying that loads of monitors were going to get updates to enable freesync... That never happened.
I never said that a £500 monitor would become a £550 monitor just because of freesync, what I said was that a £100 monitor wouldn't stay a £100 monitor, which is true in the case of the AOC's which are the only baseline models available. What I also said is that the only models that could eat the extra cost would be the premium models, the ones where they do add the extra features each year to maintain the premium price point.
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It's not hard to grasp that the free comes from zero hardware/license cost on top of AMD's supported gpu end.
The 'they **** on G-Sync' excuse is bone dry, listening to arses talking *****, doesn't excuse emulating one.
The 'they **** on G-Sync' excuse is bone dry, listening to arses talking *****, doesn't excuse emulating one.
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Hang on, you challenged me on my freesync views, I only had to type that all out because you kept pushing me on it. Then you resort to insults because you have nothing of value to add. Nice.
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Yet the AOC monitor is £100 and has freesync, you also don't add £20-40 to the cost, you're comparing entirely different monitors that happen to be the same size but have entirely different panels and specifications.
Look at any non g-sync/freesync monitors, a screen with a faster response time, higher refresh rate and extra input costs more, £27 more for that is pretty much standard but you're insisting this cost is for freesync and that the extra port, better panel, higher refresh rate and better response time are all therefore free.
As for having to buy a screen therefore it's not free... no one ever claimed it was, only ridiculous people ever made the argument in the first place. Freesync has no ADDITIONAL hardware cost over a normal monitor is the only claim that has ever been made, thus even bringing up an argument of "you have to buy a screen therefore it isn't free" is completely ludicrous and shows quite obviously how weak your argument is.
YOu compare different screens with different specs to find a cost difference while ignoring the same screens with the same spec having no price difference with/without freesync.
There is absolute proof you are wrong and you counter this with stupid arguments. Freesync has more market penetration already, it has a wider range of price points, screen styles and has always offered better functionality of the screen like multiple inputs.
Not being dead TODAY doesn't mean that g-sync isn't dead in the future, it will be(in it's current additional hardware and huge cost increase incarnation). They will always have g-sync which everyone always said, it will just switch to being implemented using adaptive sync in the future.
I challenged you on your paramount opinion on the cost factor nothing more/less, only brought up your disdain as (imo)your almost always commenting negatively whenever the subject arises.
Instead of the negativity, like others you should be recommending G/FreeSync not putting people off, they don't know what they are missing.
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