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GhostDog1981 said:
I would hope they do. But that would involve a lot of retesting!
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Might be necroing this point here, but I can say no - Techpowerup does not update, at least not adequately.

They still have the 1080 Ti as being +12% greater in performance than the 5700 XT, when the reality even now is that the 5700 XT almost universally beats the 1080 Ti in everything, even in something heavily nVidia favoured titles like Cyperpunk 2077.

Maybe the 1080 Ti can still re-establish its advantage in the very latest VRAM intensive games, but that'd be a 'double necro' for Techpowerup to acknowledge, with both a fall and re-rise of the 1080 Ti
 
Vexr said:
Might be necroing this point here, but I can say no - Techpowerup does not update, at least not adequately.

They still have the 1080 Ti as being +12% greater in performance than the 5700 XT, when the reality even now is that the 5700 XT almost universally beats the 1080 Ti in everything, even in something heavily nVidia favoured titles like Cyperpunk 2077.

Maybe the 1080 Ti can still re-establish its advantage in the very latest VRAM intensive games, but that'd be a 'double necro' for Techpowerup to acknowledge, with both a fall and re-rise of the 1080 Ti
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That's a shame because TPU are very convenient for overall performance reference charts, i use them all the time.
 
Vexr said:
Might be necroing this point here, but I can say no - Techpowerup does not update, at least not adequately.

They still have the 1080 Ti as being +12% greater in performance than the 5700 XT, when the reality even now is that the 5700 XT almost universally beats the 1080 Ti in everything, even in something heavily nVidia favoured titles like Cyperpunk 2077.

Maybe the 1080 Ti can still re-establish its advantage in the very latest VRAM intensive games, but that'd be a 'double necro' for Techpowerup to acknowledge, with both a fall and re-rise of the 1080 Ti
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That's unfortunate. Their reviews are amongst the best.
 
That's the way it is. I can vouch Techpowerup has not adapted to reflect performance changes in older graphics cards.
Updated benchmarks at say HUB have done, but not Techpowerup.
As a previous 5700 XT owner, I was gratified to see my card overtake the former long-time king that was the GTX 1080 Ti in raster at literally everything.
 
Vexr said:
That's the way it is. I can vouch Techpowerup has not adapted to reflect performance changes in older graphics cards.
Updated benchmarks at say HUB have done, but not Techpowerup.
As a previous 5700 XT owner, I was gratified to see my card overtake the former long-time king that was the GTX 1080 Ti in raster at literally everything.
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I know it's a very big task but it would be nice to see the data on the older but still relevant generations like the 5700 series or pascal and turing being updated once a year to reflech potential driver improvements.
 

Dug up the HUB update on the 1080 Ti vs 5700 XT in 2022. I mis-remembered the 5700 XT now beating the 1080 Ti across the board, but it still benched 3% faster overall at 1080p and was a tie at 1440p.

HUB had the 5700 XT being 6% slower overall in their previous 2021 update @ 1440p.

I suspect the 5700 XT was indeed 12% slower than the 1080 Ti when the former released in 2019, but after three years of fine wining it pulled level at 1440p and exceeded the 1080 Ti at 1080p.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
AND... the 7900 XT will match the 4080 in 3 years?
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I might take that bet :D +4GB more VRAM in VRAM intensive times, UE5 and its RT becoming mainstream - seemingly levelling the playing field with AMD and NV in RT. The 7900 XT even has more of the all-important memory bandwidth than the 4080 (800 GBps vs 716 GBps)

Add the fine wining 5700 XT-style, and fingers crossed for FSR tech improvements (and of course FSR 3.0 finally being delivered), I'd say things look reasonably rosy for 7900 XT owners. Especially given the extra 50% more it would generally have cost to get a 4080.

I hear the next gen cards aren't coming any time soon to make us all look foolish for buying in to this one.

We will see.
 
We'll mine was under water, and I've definitely seen the boost clock quoted as lower than than that, but I stand corrected. Lower down that page he does actually say gains from raising the power limit and over locking are 19.3% so I don't think I'm a million miles away
 
Vexr said:
I suspect the 5700 XT was indeed 12% slower than the 1080 Ti when the former released in 2019, but after three years of fine wining it pulled level at 1440p and exceeded the 1080 Ti at 1080p.
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You also have to consider that they're testing completely different games for the most part. From looking at the games lists, HUB and TPU only had Battlefield V, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and The Witcher 3 in common. The results in those are actually kind of interesting.

Battlefield V (DX11)
TPU 2019 - 5700 XT is 17% faster
HUB 2022 - 5700 XT is 4% faster

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (DX12)
TPU 2019 - 1080 Ti is 3% faster
HUB 2022 - 1080 Ti is 6% faster

The Witcher 3 (Original release)
TPU 2019 - 1080 Ti is 11% faster
HUB 2022 - 1080 Ti is 13% faster

So the 1080 Ti actually FineWine'd the 5700 XT in all three based on those results. It just doesn't do as well in newer titles.
 
JediFragger said:
Remnant 2 for instance

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Something is really off here, how can 4090 be faster at 1440p but slower at 4K.? It has more memory bandwidth, more cache and higher driver overhead.
Also 4090 is about 40% faster than 7900XTX at 4K in Fortnite using UE 5 with lumen and nanite.
 
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no_1_dave said:
Hardly fine wine though is it... It's just poor initial driver support
It's odd that people are happy with the poor initial driver support to the extent they call it fine wine and actually try to put a positive spin on it :cry:
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It isn't really though. Nvidia release drivers with performance improvements for newer games and bug fixes, so is that poor initial driver support too? The AMD Fine Wine stuff is just a bit of a laugh as we AMD gamers have to hold on to these small wins. lol. If AMD has poor driver support then every new release from Nvidia that has a performance uplift can be viewed the same. Gaining extra performane as a product matures through its lifetime is just how software development goes.
 
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z10m said:
Something is really off here, how can 4090 be faster at 1440p but slower at 4K.? It has more memory bandwidth, more cache and higher driver overhead.
Also 4090 is about 40% faster than 7900XTX at 4K in Fortnite using UE 5 with lumen and nanite.
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The clue here is lumen.
 
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