AMD FX-9000 - FX-8770 CPU's.

thingemajib · 18 Jun 2013 at 15:05

Ill admit i only flicked through the thread but is there any indication of a release date for these? I need a good laugh...

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 15:07

Can handbrake actually use GPU's yet

?
GPU encoding is in a horrific state.

humbug · 18 Jun 2013 at 15:10

Martini1991 said:
Can handbrake actually use GPU's yet ?
GPU encoding is in a horrific state.

Yes, it can.

https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/HardwareAcceleration

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 15:12

humbug said:
Yes, it can.

I remember seeing the update, and seeing GPU encoding in the update log.
But I have no idea how to actually get it to work? Would have helped me last night

I know there's very limited/poor encoding in the AMD CCC.

EDIT : That's from 3 months ago, the update was only like 2 weeks ago.
I know they were focusing with GPU encoding, but as far as I know it hasn't been a feature.

Have you used it?

EDIT 2 : https://trac.handbrake.fr/milestone/OpenCL Beta

Agh there we go, I knew I wasn't going crazy, that beta's from 4 weeks ago.

EDIT 3 : Now I've just seen Wolvers thread from 3 months ago.

THIS IS THE POINT WITH GPU ENCODING, THE CONFUSION!!!

opethdisciple · 18 Jun 2013 at 15:16

From what I read, you can not 'buy' these chips. They will be only in high end preinstalled systems.

Avenged7Fold · 18 Jun 2013 at 16:04

opethdisciple said:
From what I read, you can not 'buy' these chips. They will be only in high end preinstalled systems.

Now that's the real way to make money!

humbug · 18 Jun 2013 at 16:05

Martini1991 said:
I remember seeing the update, and seeing GPU encoding in the update log.
But I have no idea how to actually get it to work? Would have helped me last night

I know there's very limited/poor encoding in the AMD CCC.

EDIT : That's from 3 months ago, the update was only like 2 weeks ago.
I know they were focusing with GPU encoding, but as far as I know it hasn't been a feature.

Have you used it?

EDIT 2 : https://trac.handbrake.fr/milestone/OpenCL%20Beta

Agh there we go, I knew I wasn't going crazy, that beta's from 4 weeks ago.

EDIT 3 : Now I've just seen Wolvers thread from 3 months ago.

THIS IS THE POINT WITH GPU ENCODING, THE CONFUSION!!!

"Have you used it?"

Yes

You need an AMD GPU, it may or may not work on Nvidia but if it does its not going to be as fast as OpenCL on Nvidia is not as good. and AMD helped Handbrake make this work.

Even with a mid range GPU it cuts the time in half.

Its very simple, enable OpenCL and HDW Support, hit start and away it goes...

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 16:07

Fancy booking a spec savers appointment together?
How did I miss that

But that's only been in since the last version afaik.

Although that FPS isn't particularly outstanding, I can manage that now if I want to do a quick encode (5 minutes) for my Surface, which gave like no visible IQ loss compared to my hour one. Then again, I've got a 7970.

humbug · 18 Jun 2013 at 16:38

Its preset from where ever I used it last time, i'm a stickler for good quality, and I hate interlacing, so that's always maxed.

The point is it is a hell of a lot faster than using only a CPU, even a very fast one.

What i'm snubbing here is AMD, whether or not their CPU is as fast in Handbrake as they claim, its irrelevant as you can just use the GPU and smash its performance into oblivion, provided you have a decent AMD GPU.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 17:39

I don't have the HW decoding options

EDIT : Need to use the OpenCL Beta one.

EDIT 2 : Doesn't actually seem to work for me.

humbug · 18 Jun 2013 at 17:51

Martini1991 said:
I don't have the HW decoding options

EDIT : Need to use the OpenCL Beta one.

EDIT 2 : Doesn't actually seem to work for me.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/handbrake/files/Betas/OpenCL/

Top one (8.2MB)

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 17:53

Yeah, I'm using it.
Doesn't seem to do anything for me, I get odd GPU spikes, but apart from that the speed is about the same.

Gibbo · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:07

Hi there

I have the FX-9590 here, well an ES chip, 4.70 stock, 5.00 Turbo.

I shall post up the benchmarks I've done, but on CPU benchmarks Intel is still ahead, but in games well much closer.

Disappointed OC wise, 5.00GHz as stock speed is just about stable, but it won't go beyond 5.10Ghz stable. This could be down to board however, I've tried an old GBT 990FX UD7, UD5 and Asus Formula-Z. The UD7 gave best CPU overclocked, the Asus best memory overclock, which was 2200MHz for Gigabyte at 9-10-10-18-1T and Asus at 2400MHz at 9-11-11-21-1T

Its a nice CPU, but my view on it is buy an FX-8350, its same CPU and clock that too 4.8-5.0Ghz as FX-8350 tend to OC towards 4.70-4.90GHz anyway and it cost huge amounts less.

humbug · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:10

Martini1991 said:
Yeah, I'm using it.
Doesn't seem to do anything for me, I get odd GPU spikes, but apart from that the speed is about the same.

Will look into it later, are you using BETA drivers?

Gibbo said:
Hi there

I have the FX-9590 here, well an ES chip, 4.70 stock, 5.00 Turbo.

I shall post up the benchmarks I've done, but on CPU benchmarks Intel is still ahead, but in games well much closer.

Disappointed OC wise, 5.00GHz as stock speed is just about stable, but it won't go beyond 5.10Ghz stable. This could be down to board however, I've tried an old GBT 990FX UD7, UD5 and Asus Formula-Z. The UD7 gave best CPU overclocked, the Asus best memory overclock, which was 2200MHz for Gigabyte at 9-10-10-18-1T and Asus at 2400MHz at 9-11-11-21-1T

Its a nice CPU, but my view on it is buy an FX-8350, its same CPU and clock that too 4.8-5.0Ghz as FX-8350 tend to OC towards 4.70-4.90GHz anyway and it cost huge amounts less.

Thanks for your efforts, I think we can safely say its just an FX-8350 pre-overclocked.

Which is really disappointing, and the price is just insulting.

cheesyboy · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:12

Gibbo said:
Disappointed OC wise, 5.00GHz as stock speed is just about stable, but it won't go beyond 5.10Ghz stable.

Damn. Disappointing.

So it's a binned 8350, but nothing mind-blowing :|

Gibbo · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:22

humbug said:
Will look into it later, are you using BETA drivers?

Thanks for your efforts, I think we can safely say its just an FX-8350 pre-overclocked.

Which is really disappointing, and the price is just insulting.

Yes, same cache, same 8 piledriver cores. I suspect maybe in 1000 CPU's AMD get one which can hit 5GHz on air, so the price is for the exclusivity.

Don't get me wrong in my testing I am using air cooling, though damn good air cooling. problem is none of the motherboards are stable with above 1.60v under-load at any speed. Its not temperature issue or CPU, so has to be due to mainboard can't deliver.

For whatever reason this CPU is more demanding on mainboard than regular FX-8350, yet from what I can tell it is the same architecture and spec, L2/L3 cache all identical etc.

5GHz on air with 2400MHz RAM along with 2600 NB and 2600 HT is damn good, that's prime stable too, benchmark stable is 5.1-5.2GHz again on air. I've never had a FX-8350 do that, best I ever had was 4.90GHz prime stable but only in UD7 which is no longer made, other mainboards seems to struggle past 4.60GHz prime stable.

I mean what prime stable OC are people getting on FX 8350/8320 at moment on air cooling, if they are maxing around 4.60GHz, then I suppose FX-9590 with 5GHz OC pretty much guaranteed is worth something, just maybe not the current suggested price. Of course AMD make it a crazy price because it probably cannot be massed produced due to maybe a poor yield rate. This is of course guessing because right now I have no idea on availability, if AMD can supply thousands then the price needs questioning, but I suspect the supply will be very limited.

Still it is good they are trying to push the boundaries and bringing the fight closer to the Intel. I say in games the AMD chips are now very good! I shall post my benchmarks but they are just cinebench, heaven, valley, 3D Mark and with a 7990 so won't probably tell you much apart from a 7990 is stupidly quick.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:32

But the price point makes the performance being close rather irrelevant doesn't it? If it was running rings around the 3930K, then yeah sure, it can justify its price tag, but it's not going to

Gibbo · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:42

Martini1991 said:
But the price point makes the performance being close rather irrelevant doesn't it? If it was running rings around the 3930K, then yeah sure, it can justify its price tag, but it's not going to

True, they should have made it different in some otherway like cache amount and not just clock speed. I feels its more a PR exercise for PileDriver, which we have to say is for OcUK a great seller, its great for people playing games and can let you build very capable gaming machines for less money than Intel.

As everyone I was hoping for more, really hoping it would hit 5.50GHz and post at 6GHz. Who knows it could be the mainboards or my ES could be rubbish, but doubtful....

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2013 at 18:45

Wouldn't surprise me that PD's a great seller, the FX6300 offers unbeatable performance for its price, as does the FX8320.
I have no idea what Intel are playing at with only having an i3 at the FX6300, and then having nothing upto about the FX8350.

GoogalyMoogaly · 18 Jun 2013 at 19:47

Martini1991 said:
Yeah, I'm using it.
Doesn't seem to do anything for me, I get odd GPU spikes, but apart from that the speed is about the same.

humbug said:
Will look into it later, are you using BETA drivers?

I thought the OpenCL thing only accelerated downscaling? And maybe decoding depending on the source.

What is accelerated

OpenCL-accelerated "crop and scale" filter. Performance gains will only be seen if you are downscaling content, e.g. 1080p to 720p.

Hardware-accelerated decoding using DXVA2. Please note that this feature is Windows-only and only works on sources which we decode via Libav (DVD, Blu-ray and MPEG Transport/Program streams can't use hardware-accelerated decoding).