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*** AMD GO WILD: VEGA 56 THE TRUE DEAL OF THE CENTURY AND IT JUST GOT BETTER!!!

dante6491 said:
Just installed mine having shifted up slightly from a Sapphire RX480 Nitro+ to the Vega 56 Pulse. Rest of the system is a 3570k and 16GB ram. Stock 3.8Ghz with memory at 1866Mhz.

Decided to run a couple of benchmarks on Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Assassins Creed Odyssey.

Odyssey - Very High, 2560x1440

RX480 - Min 18, Max 58, Avg 40 - Session Time 64, Total Frames 2552
Vega56 - Min 24, Max 82, Avg 54 - Session Time 60, Total Frames 3250

SOTR - High, 2560x1440

RX480 (GPU) - Min 37, Max 72, Avg 48 - Frames 7204, GPU Bound 98%
Vega56 (GPU) - Min 56, Max 112. Avg 66 - Frames 8927, GPU Bound 67%

At first I was a bit disappointed in real terms, but then looking at the % increases I was very pleased.

Might be a placebo but definitely sounds quieter too.
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CPU holding it back, get the CPU clocked should do around 4.5GHz easy, also under-volt the Vega 56 as no reason why you can double your performance. :)
Vega 56 is extremely power once tweaked, practically 64 performance and beyond 2060.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
CPU is bottlenecking the 56, overclock it.
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JediFragger said:
+1

You'll get another boost when you update the rest of your system.
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Gibbo said:
CPU holding it back, get the CPU clocked should do around 4.5GHz easy, also under-volt the Vega 56 as no reason why you can double your performance. :)
Vega 56 is extremely power once tweaked, practically 64 performance and beyond 2060.
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Indeed gentleman. Not complaining at all, very much a stop gap upgrade till Zen 2 later this year.
 
What a great move by AMD now 1660ti is pointless. Vega56 will smash it i recon. I've convinced AMD have a higher render quality anyway so, for me, it'd be a no brainer V56 vs 1660ti. Heck the overclocked 2060 even was only on par with overclocked V56 in games i play!
 
I keep seeing folk talking about underclothing the Vega 56 for more overclocking etc.

Why does AMD have the volts so high, if they can be lowered?
Surely they test them or could do a software update to reduce the volts?

Or is it a case that the cards vary so much they do it to be on the safe side as not all cards can be undervolted?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to work it out as would be nice to just buy a card and it be perfect without the need for all the first day tweeks. (Sat looking at my OLED after only just switching from Plasma and its giving me the same headaches of why they can’t calibrate before shipping rather than every tv come different...anyways I’m off in another direction so will stop with the above)

Thanks people
 
markymoo said:
I keep seeing folk talking about underclothing the Vega 56 for more overclocking etc.

Why does AMD have the volts so high, if they can be lowered?
Surely they test them or could do a software update to reduce the volts?

Or is it a case that the cards vary so much they do it to be on the safe side as not all cards can be undervolted?

Thanks people
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There's thing called "chip lottery", as despite being the same GPUs, not all chips are produced equal with some can clock at higher frequency/clock speed with lower power while other might require additional power to be stable at higher frequency/clock speed.

AMD most likely decide to use higher stock voltage, for the sake of ensuring even the less quality chip would still run stable, and not crash/freeze. Although the chances are that 99-99.5% of the chips would be stable even at if running at lower voltage, there would still possibly be the 0.5-1% exception that require the full voltage for running stable.
 
markymoo said:
I keep seeing folk talking about underclothing the Vega 56 for more overclocking etc.

Why does AMD have the volts so high, if they can be lowered?
Surely they test them or could do a software update to reduce the volts?

Or is it a case that the cards vary so much they do it to be on the safe side as not all cards can be undervolted?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to work it out as would be nice to just buy a card and it be perfect without the need for all the first day tweeks. (Sat looking at my OLED after only just switching from Plasma and its giving me the same headaches of why they can’t calibrate before shipping rather than every tv come different...anyways I’m off in another direction so will stop with the above)

Thanks people
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It is even worse than that, in wattman the tweaking utility, built into the drivers, their is an auto undervolt button. But be warned officially according the the AMD drivers page, any use of said utility or any other that change the cards default settings invalidates the warranty. So don't tell anyone if you ever need an RMA.
 
Gibbo said:
Zen2 gonna be good, VERY GOOD!
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JediFragger said:
Does this work well? Gonna get a V56 to play with, and am just wondering. Also, do I just need to undervolt the card or do I need to overclock too to maximise performance? Thanks.
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In fairness I must say that I don't run an AMD card, but several on this forum do and the overal opinion of the currant driver suite seems quite good.
Somebody like @Panos can certainly give you more information on the Wattman utility in the AMD drivers.

Hopefully now I've tagged him he will be along to help with any questions you might have.
 
JediFragger said:
Does this work well? Gonna get a V56 to play with, and am just wondering. Also, do I just need to undervolt the card or do I need to overclock too to maximise performance? Thanks.
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@bru thanks :)

@JediFragger first is better to undervolt at the point the card is working at low temps. You will find that by undervolting (especially with V64), the clocks jump 150mhz which is around 10%, in addition to another 10% you have manually OC the HBM. (V56 doesn't allow that).

So my advice it so run the card at stock in Turbo mode first and write down it's clocks.
Good benchmark is Firestrike normal. Then cut 100mv from the P6 &P7 states and raise PL to +25%. See how the performance goes. If clocks went up and card is cooler, raise pl to 50%.
If the card performance improves deduct another 30mv, leaving PL 50%

AMD drivers also support to tweak the card settings from inside applications. So have Firestrike running, open the overlayr (Alt+R) tweak the card as it goes.

Bellow are the settings running the V64 24/7. Ignore the selection of minimum speed as it is for specific game profiles, using old engines (like SWG & ESO) where they need do so, if you do not want the card sleeping at 500mhz.

You can always give them a try, but leave HBM overclocking as V56 cards do not support it.
FYI you can always flash V64 bios to V56 card and gain performance.

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Thanks to Panos for that info.

It's very enjoyable finally seeing some price battle after nvidia stalked the primeval earth and mining gauged $$ out of everyone.

I might jump to Vega now, such a bargain. Nice to see overclocking is not just altering a slider ... it will be a fun learning trip I am sure if I do while I ponder what is going on. Undervolting and V64 BIOS change ... funky ... just like the good old days.

Just out of interest, are AMD drivers up to snuff in games? Last time I had an Ati/AMD was when Rage came out. Hence why I have grey hairs !

:)
 
Installed my V56 Pulse yesterday and very happy. Card runs cool and extremely quiet (undervolted) and FPS show a decent bump over my 5-year old 290X.

Only question is how long does AMD take to send the game keys? I know Div2 & DMC5 will not be sent until release, bot more than 24-hours after submitting the redemption token they have not supplied me with the RE2 code yet. Is this normal?
 
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