Caporegime
You forgot about the 1060 didn't you? 
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AMD GPU sales tanking
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All that shows is Nvidia is the same with their value for money dropping like a stone but they are the market leader and can afford to put customers off.You forgot about the 1060 didn't you?
Caporegime
I think that's the first time i have seen you make that concession, well done.
I might be pushing my luck now but i'll give it a go....If a 3070 Ti is a perfectly usable RT card then so is the RX 7800 XT.
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Caporegime
@q974739 check post #458 on page 23
A 3070ti just about scrapes RT though and that’s with DLSS, DLSS is the tech though that really adds the extra value to Nvidia.I think that's the first time i have seen you make that concession, well done.
If a 3070 Ti is a perfectly usable RT card then so is the RX 7800 XT.
If AMD could match DLSS then maybe they could get away with pricing closer to Nvidia but until that time they almost need to price the cards at raster level equivalent performance to an Nvidia card running DLSS quality.
Caporegime
I think they are priced just fine the way they are, off the top of my head, that doesn't mean i don't think there are any problems...
AMD should be cheaper than Nvidia, but i also want it to be worthwhile for AMD, i want them to stay, i don't want them to provoke a pricing war with Nvidia because AMD would not survive that.
I also want Intel to stay, i want them to feel like its worth staying.
AMD should be cheaper than Nvidia, but i also want it to be worthwhile for AMD, i want them to stay, i don't want them to provoke a pricing war with Nvidia because AMD would not survive that.
I also want Intel to stay, i want them to feel like its worth staying.
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I think your in the minority if you think AMDs pricing is fine, they were terrible at launch, granted they are now better priced than they were last year but so is Nvidia.
Nvidia doesn’t want a price war nor do they want to get rid of AMD as then they would be classed as a monopoly and their behaviour would be under more scrutiny from the FTC so it’s in Nvidia’s interests if AMD stick around as a sort of lame duck competitor.
I think we're missing a critical point here - price dictates demand. But what of supply?
Does AMD have a huge inventory sitting around, or are they selling everything they make? If they don't have the extra stock they could sell, dropping the price gets them nothing.
Does AMD have a huge inventory sitting around, or are they selling everything they make? If they don't have the extra stock they could sell, dropping the price gets them nothing.
The fact they have been dropping prices would imply they are struggling to move stock, if they were selling everything they made then they wouldn’t need to drop the price.
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Tbf I think that's a general trend in the tech sector atm, lots and lots of deals around it seems.
And nearly 3 years later when the GTX 1060 had been out for nearly a year at £299.
And almost 3 years later.
Daniel Owen has an interesting video on the matter:
Upvoted for great Sig
Interesting video; either people lie about owning AMD for clout, or AMD owners are the most vocal group on the internet
Maybe this why AMD keeps on getting the pricing wrong and never gains any significant market share as they probably hear all the noise made by small but very active and vocal minority saying that pricing is fine and the cards are good value when the
If you read the car forum, you would think everybody in the country owned a luxury or supercar, the vast majority of people buy what they are told is the best and simplest at their price point and then forget about it.
I agree with everyone tbh. Nvidia have more attractive cards with better tech. AMD are always lagging behind but offer more vram and in reality they are always on Nvidias coattails, sometimes even surpassing them. But Nvidia are brilliant at marketing and this is where AMD fall down. It's certainly interesting watching intel coming up the rear*,so let's see what happens.
*No pun intended.
**No homo
*No pun intended.
**No homo
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Soldato
Not sure why Joxeon is talking about the RX580. It was overclocked RX480 launched 10 months after the RX480.It was a bit of a pointless release IMHO.
RX480 launched in June 2016 at $239 for the 8GB model with the GTX1060 GB following a few weeks later for $249 to $299:
www.techpowerup.com
www.techpowerup.com
The GTX980 launched in late September 2014 at $550:
www.techpowerup.com
Both offered near GTX980 performance.So,in slightly more than 20 months we had near GTX980 performance for less than half the price and with more VRAM.
The $650 RX6800XT launched at an RRP technically $50 under the $700 RRP RTX3080 two months later:
www.techpowerup.com
www.techpowerup.com
Though a moot point in the UK as we don't have the AMD store so the RRP never was seen here for a while. But you could get them in some markets.
The $600 RTX4070 came nearly 2.5 years later and offered the same performance as the RTX3080 for a $50 reduction in price. Why it was not well received on this forum. The RX7800XT came almost six months later at $500 RRP,or $150 under the RX6800XT or $200 under the RTX3080. But it was so late,the RTX4070 had already dipped down in price and I suspect most of us had got bored by then.
The whole we are a premium thing AMD pushed was a waste of time in recent years. AMD launching late hasn't helped them.
Polaris is the last time AMD actually launched earlier than Nvidia.
But the problem is JPR confirms actual numbers of dGPUs shipped. So that 15% to 30% sales share AMD partners have shipped every quarter over the last decade is ending up in systems. A few things:
1.)Steam is useful but also takes into consideration gaming cafes in Asia,Africa,etc so the same hardware can show up multiple times. Many of those gamers can't afford their own systems so essentially rent time on them.
2.)Nvidia is a GPU company so 100% of its volume goes to GPUs. AMD sadly prioritises GPUs after CPUs and consoles.
3.)The internet is full of people who build their own PCs - most gaming PCs sold are prebuilt systems and most of them are Nvidia.
4.)Most desktop owners who I have known with an AMD card are people who build their own PCs - most gamers don't build their own PC.
5.)Nvidia has the Lion's share of the laptop dGPU market - the laptop RTX3060 and RTX4060 are some of the highest ranked dGPUs on Steam. Almost half of all dGPUs are sold with laptops! People on the internet are not going to talk about their gaming laptop like desktop users.
AMD has prioritised more of its volume to places such as the US and Europe,which are the most vocal parts of the English speaking internet. But in huge markets such as Asia,Nvidia is not only easier to buy and has more volume,but even the pricing is not that different from what I have seen. This is why AMD seems more represented than it actually probably is in our part of the world.
Intel still sells more consumer CPUs than AMD,but if you look at the internet in the US and Europe,you wouldn't think that.
RX480 launched in June 2016 at $239 for the 8GB model with the GTX1060 GB following a few weeks later for $249 to $299:
AMD Radeon RX 480 8 GB Review
Today, AMD is introducing their new 14 nanometer Polaris architecture. The first card we are reviewing is the Radeon RX 480, a highly affordable 8 GB card that sets out to shatter current price-to-performance ratios. In terms of performance, you can expect speeds between the GTX 980 and GTX 970.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Review
Today, NVIDIA released the GeForce GTX 1060, which is designed to combat AMD's Radeon RX 480. It looks like NVIDIA has won this fight since the GTX 1060 brings GTX 980 performance levels to the table while being much more power efficient than the RX 480 - all at a price point of $249 to $299.
The GTX980 launched in late September 2014 at $550:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4 GB Review
Today, NVIDIA releases their new GeForce GTX 980, which brings the Maxwell architecture to the high-end. It features massive power efficiency improvements and reduced noise, but also beats the GTX 780 Ti in raw performance. Pricing is quite acceptable, too, with an MSRP of $549.
Both offered near GTX980 performance.So,in slightly more than 20 months we had near GTX980 performance for less than half the price and with more VRAM.
The $650 RX6800XT launched at an RRP technically $50 under the $700 RRP RTX3080 two months later:
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Review - NVIDIA is in Trouble
The Radeon RX 6800 XT is a worthy opponent to the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080. It offers similar performance at better power efficiency and lower noise levels. In our Radeon RX 6800 XT review, we also take a closer look at raytracing and "Rage Mode", a new 1-click method for overclocking.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition Review - Must-Have for 4K Gamers
NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 3080 "Ampere" Founders Edition is a truly impressive graphics card. It not only looks fantastic, performance is also better than even the RTX 2080 Ti. In our RTX 3080 Founders Edition review, we're also taking a close look at the new cooler, which runs quietly without...
Though a moot point in the UK as we don't have the AMD store so the RRP never was seen here for a while. But you could get them in some markets.
The $600 RTX4070 came nearly 2.5 years later and offered the same performance as the RTX3080 for a $50 reduction in price. Why it was not well received on this forum. The RX7800XT came almost six months later at $500 RRP,or $150 under the RX6800XT or $200 under the RTX3080. But it was so late,the RTX4070 had already dipped down in price and I suspect most of us had got bored by then.
The whole we are a premium thing AMD pushed was a waste of time in recent years. AMD launching late hasn't helped them.
Polaris is the last time AMD actually launched earlier than Nvidia.
But the problem is JPR confirms actual numbers of dGPUs shipped. So that 15% to 30% sales share AMD partners have shipped every quarter over the last decade is ending up in systems. A few things:
1.)Steam is useful but also takes into consideration gaming cafes in Asia,Africa,etc so the same hardware can show up multiple times. Many of those gamers can't afford their own systems so essentially rent time on them.
2.)Nvidia is a GPU company so 100% of its volume goes to GPUs. AMD sadly prioritises GPUs after CPUs and consoles.
3.)The internet is full of people who build their own PCs - most gaming PCs sold are prebuilt systems and most of them are Nvidia.
4.)Most desktop owners who I have known with an AMD card are people who build their own PCs - most gamers don't build their own PC.
5.)Nvidia has the Lion's share of the laptop dGPU market - the laptop RTX3060 and RTX4060 are some of the highest ranked dGPUs on Steam. Almost half of all dGPUs are sold with laptops! People on the internet are not going to talk about their gaming laptop like desktop users.
AMD has prioritised more of its volume to places such as the US and Europe,which are the most vocal parts of the English speaking internet. But in huge markets such as Asia,Nvidia is not only easier to buy and has more volume,but even the pricing is not that different from what I have seen. This is why AMD seems more represented than it actually probably is in our part of the world.
Intel still sells more consumer CPUs than AMD,but if you look at the internet in the US and Europe,you wouldn't think that.
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One possibility is that the Steam Hardware Survey software is indeed bad at picking up non-Nvidia GPUs. Notice that there are two entries for AMD Radeon Graphics, for instance, and Arc cards are nowhere to be seen but Xe Graphics is there.
Soldato
There are only about 9 people who game on Intel Arc cards. That's why they don't show in steam hardware surveys.
Soldato
Battlemage sounded interesting when they announced it but it has been so long I don't know where I should expect performance to fall now. It's an odd one.